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Grinding Noise - driveline 2006 Manual MT
« on: May 14, 2015, 06:56:55 AM »
I hear and feel a grinding noise when cruising and letting off the gas to almost engine brake.  It's not so much a hum, it sounds more like a mechanical grinding.  When back on the gas, the grinding seems to fade.  Is this the gearbox? driveshaft? rear diff?

I also have the clunk,  I got under it last night with a pry bar, the differential feels tight (mount wise).  I tugged on the LH/RH axles, they are tight.  I didn't see any leaks in the diff (unless it's dry?!).
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Re: Grinding Noise - driveline 2006 Manual MT
« Reply #1 on: May 14, 2015, 01:06:50 PM »
If your differential is leaking, or was leaking, there will be evidence of an oily area with some dirt/debris fixed to it under the differential.  There would be visible evidence that it had leaked.

My 2006 had a bad differential (more than just the seal, the entire differential was replaced because the bearings were destroyed).  It made more of a whining sound that became louder over time.  Seems like I had a little grinding when I shifted through one of the gears.  There would be an old thread on the Solstice side about it.  Back in 2008 or 2009 I believe.

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Re: Grinding Noise - driveline 2006 Manual MT
« Reply #2 on: May 14, 2015, 01:08:19 PM »
I may have even had pics of the leaking differential (I had all the leaks...vent tube, seal, etc.)  I remember taking them, but not sure if I posted them.  I can dig a little and see if I can find the thread.

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Re: Grinding Noise - driveline 2006 Manual MT
« Reply #3 on: May 14, 2015, 01:12:26 PM »
Found it.  This is a good description of a differential that is done:

http://www.solsticeforum.com/forum/f12/those-you-thinking-about-not-having-recall-done-45070/

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Re: Grinding Noise - driveline 2006 Manual MT
« Reply #4 on: May 14, 2015, 08:51:23 PM »
Are you all suggesting that I do an LSD swap upgrade?
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Re: Grinding Noise - driveline 2006 Manual MT
« Reply #5 on: May 15, 2015, 06:26:43 AM »
I guess my first question is have you checked the rear end fluid ,how many miles are on your car ? you may just need to replace the fluid if that's the issue .I did mine and also the trans used Royal Purple noticeable difference.There was a factory  recall on the 2006 and 2007 cars for the rear pinion seal  if you don't know if it was done just take your vin number to a GM dealership and they can pull up the records on your car . This is on the car you just bought ? if you look in the glove box there is a tag with an option list if you see a G80 code you have limited slip rear end
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Re: Grinding Noise - driveline 2006 Manual MT
« Reply #6 on: May 15, 2015, 09:34:09 AM »
Are you all suggesting that I do an LSD swap upgrade?

Not at all.  Mine has an LSD and it's an early 2006 and it failed miserably!

What I stated in the above are symptoms of how you will know if your differential is going.  If you check out my thread on the Solstice forum, the systems for an LSD that is destroyed are the following:
1. Whine.  It will be quiet at first.  If you've ever driven an old manual from the 60's, you know how they kinda whine when you are shifting through the gears?  It will start out like that.  Then it will progressively get louder.  It will be constant at cruising speeds.
2. Rattle.  I heard a rattle after I let off the gas.  Not so much a grinding noise, but a rattle.  Probably the bearings, or what was left of them rattling around.
3. Intermittent "shimmy" or the car would "grab" or hesitate while cruising at various speeds.  It felt like the car had tires that were poorly balanced, but it was very intermittant and at all different speeds from what I recall.  I do remember the car would feel like it would hesitate a little or grab.  Sometimes while I was accelerating, sometimes while cruising.  That was probably what was left of the bearings getting hung up.


Follow Sting Ya's advice regarding checking the fluid and replacing it.  Check for leaks also.  You may not see it on the floor of the garage - I had a piece of cardboard or masonite on my floor and only saw 1 little spot, but you could visible see a grease spot on the diff.

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Re: Grinding Noise - driveline 2006 Manual MT
« Reply #7 on: May 15, 2015, 12:45:26 PM »
I guess my first question is have you checked the rear end fluid ,how many miles are on your car ? you may just need to replace the fluid if that's the issue .I did mine and also the trans used Royal Purple noticeable difference.There was a factory  recall on the 2006 and 2007 cars for the rear pinion seal  if you don't know if it was done just take your vin number to a GM dealership and they can pull up the records on your car . This is on the car you just bought ? if you look in the glove box there is a tag with an option list if you see a G80 code you have limited slip rear end

I just checked the fluid...I pulled the drain and it was filled with newer looking fluid.  I then put the plug back in, and opened up the filler and filled it and that was full after a squirt of gear lube.

I just bought this car w/ 70k miles.  It has the Werks turbo upgrade and I see there is a DDM backbone installed too.  The drive shaft has been off (match marking found).  I don't have G80, however it is possible I have LSD.  Heck, it even has the Norms 430 fascia.  I wouldn't doubt the rear end could have been swapped.  I don't know where to find markings to show it's LSD...or I guess I could put it on a hoist and with a friend, check by turning the driveshaft and hold a tire back (right?).
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Re: Grinding Noise - driveline 2006 Manual MT
« Reply #8 on: May 15, 2015, 12:47:10 PM »
A friend drove it yesterday, he was thinking it could be a rear wheel bearing (assuming the diff was good, backlash didn't seem abnormal).  Could this also be it?
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Re: Grinding Noise - driveline 2006 Manual MT
« Reply #9 on: May 18, 2015, 02:16:26 PM »
Well, I know on my G6, the wheel bearing was obvious.  It was a very loud, annoying whine that didn't start until about 35 MPH.  And it was loud!  I haven't had one go bad on the Solstice so I can't say if they would sound the same.  I've heard some that are bad and they kinda thud.  Again, they are loud.  I see you're in Detroit.  If I knew I was going to be over your way soon, I'd come over and drive it and at least help rule somethings out or in.  Not sure when I'll be over that way next.

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Re: Grinding Noise - driveline 2006 Manual MT
« Reply #10 on: May 19, 2015, 12:37:54 PM »
Well, I know on my G6, the wheel bearing was obvious.  It was a very loud, annoying whine that didn't start until about 35 MPH.  And it was loud!  I haven't had one go bad on the Solstice so I can't say if they would sound the same.  I've heard some that are bad and they kinda thud.  Again, they are loud.  I see you're in Detroit.  If I knew I was going to be over your way soon, I'd come over and drive it and at least help rule somethings out or in.  Not sure when I'll be over that way next.

I noted the noise stops with the clutch dis-engaged (not connected to trans), almost think it can't be the wheel bearing (if it's blown out) since it should be a constant noise.
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Re: Grinding Noise - driveline 2006 Manual MT
« Reply #11 on: May 20, 2015, 12:44:38 PM »
Yes.  Wheel bearing would be constant.

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Re: Grinding Noise - driveline 2006 Manual MT
« Reply #12 on: May 21, 2015, 06:29:48 AM »
You can verify the if it's the diff by finding a parking lot and going in reverse in a tight circle slowly on direction and then the other. 

Check the exhaust for binding against the tunnel.  When you put a load on the engine it could be hitting the side.


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Re: Grinding Noise - driveline 2006 Manual MT
« Reply #13 on: May 21, 2015, 06:55:31 AM »
Drive shaft could be loose as well. Some early cars had the driveshaft mounting bolts come loose.
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Re: Grinding Noise - driveline 2006 Manual MT
« Reply #14 on: May 21, 2015, 07:09:55 PM »
Check for a small stone between the back plate and rotor
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Re: Grinding Noise - driveline 2006 Manual MT
« Reply #15 on: May 21, 2015, 07:14:05 PM »
Sitting still in neutral, clutch out does it do it?  Does it stop when you push the clutch back in?  If so it is probably your throwout bearing
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Re: Grinding Noise - driveline 2006 Manual MT
« Reply #16 on: May 21, 2015, 08:28:11 PM »
I was thinking that too John but he said in an earlier post that it only did it when the clutch was engaged.
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Re: Grinding Noise - driveline 2006 Manual MT
« Reply #17 on: May 21, 2015, 10:08:34 PM »
Sitting still in neutral, clutch out does it do it?  Does it stop when you push the clutch back in?  If so it is probably your throwout bearing

It seems worst in 3rd or 4th gear when the drive line is not under load, any gas pedal I give it will stop the noise, but this high frequency grinding noise returns when the car is in gear under coasting load.  In 5th, there is no noise, under load or no load coasting.
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Re: Grinding Noise - driveline 2006 Manual MT
« Reply #18 on: May 22, 2015, 09:55:30 AM »
Check for a small stone between the back plate and rotor

I've had this happen and it was a gawd awful grinding noise!  A - I have to stop and pull off to the side of the road grinding noise!
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Re: Grinding Noise - driveline 2006 Manual MT
« Reply #19 on: May 24, 2015, 04:22:47 PM »
Please reference.



I may have found the problem unless this rattle is normal.
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Re: Grinding Noise - driveline 2006 Manual MT
« Reply #20 on: May 28, 2015, 07:39:36 PM »
I edited your post to embed the video. Have you checked the bolts that fasten the driveshaft to the driveline? As I believe I mentioned earlier, the bolts that fasten the drive shaft have come loose in some, mostly early cars. Get out a torque wrench and check your prop shaft mounting bolts, here's the torques.

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You mentioned a clunk. 2006 cars had a clunk that prompted GM to redesign the rear end of the 2007 cars and add a torque bar. That said, this is mentioned if reference to clunks in the driveline for the '06 cars.

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« Last Edit: May 28, 2015, 08:14:44 PM by Sly Bob »
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Re: Grinding Noise - driveline 2006 Manual MT
« Reply #21 on: May 28, 2015, 08:17:49 PM »
Oh heck, to read the information on the posts above, turn your computer upside down.   :cloud:

If I wasn't at work right now, I'd try to fix it...
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Re: Grinding Noise - driveline 2006 Manual MT
« Reply #22 on: May 29, 2015, 10:05:41 AM »
Oh heck, to read the information on the posts above, turn your computer upside down.   :cloud:

If I wasn't at work right now, I'd try to fix it...

Good job SB!!  Ha ha!

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Re: Grinding Noise - driveline 2006 Manual MT
« Reply #23 on: May 29, 2015, 02:48:37 PM »
Yeah the pics were the right side up on my phone...
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Re: Grinding Noise - driveline 2006 Manual MT
« Reply #24 on: May 29, 2015, 03:32:15 PM »
I keep turning my phone but it auto rotates upside down, thanks Bob!
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