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Offline ChrisPrice

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Improving Ride Comfort
« on: March 26, 2016, 09:49:29 AM »
Yes, I know, it's a roadster.

The potholes in my area are getting worse, and my back is not getting younger. Pothole performance has always been a weak point on the Kappa (compared to vehicles today). People in the passenger seat always remind me of this... verbally.

I'm contemplating what I can do about it. My Red Line is stock, save for a DDMWorks backbone brace.

I'm contemplating swapping in Sky FE2 springs (10376421 on the front and 15280026 on the rear). GM for some reason spent an inordinate amount of time adding ride comfort to the base Sky (which I thought at first was for the Opel GT, but it uses the same FE3 springs as GXP/RL).

My only problem is getting the Sky front springs. GM doesn't have them anymore. I'd have to pick-and-pull from a Sky or buy FE2 front shocks and strip the springs.

Thoughts? Will the springs work with the FE3 shocks well? Alternatives?
« Last Edit: March 26, 2016, 10:14:39 AM by ChrisPrice »

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Re: Improving Ride Comfort
« Reply #1 on: March 26, 2016, 03:29:54 PM »
You want a softer spring, correct?
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Re: Improving Ride Comfort
« Reply #2 on: March 26, 2016, 04:15:35 PM »
I want my passengers to think I'm not trying to kill them when I hit a pothole at 30 MPH. The FE2 Solstice I've driven quite a bit definitely handles that better.

I'm pretty sure I want the (softer) FE2 springs with the stock FE3 shocks, effectively making my own FE5 package - like the Cadillacs have.

I'm just not sure that will go far enough, or what else I could do that would make it softer - without massive losses in handling.

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Re: Improving Ride Comfort
« Reply #3 on: March 26, 2016, 04:47:34 PM »
That's really the issue in that how much handling do you want to give up? Drive around the potholes?
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Re: Improving Ride Comfort
« Reply #4 on: March 26, 2016, 06:36:34 PM »
Frankly, I'm willing to trade a significant amount. This isn't my track car. It's a daily driver for highway use. My area of California has potholes occupying entire lanes... avoiding is a relative term.

Suspension aside, Kappa is perfect for me. It gives me the off-the-line 0-to-60 performance I want at the right price (out here, a G8 GT costs twice as much, and I don't need the trunk or backseat). I probably would have opted for FE2 if it was an option with GXP/RL.

That said, FE3 is what it has, and I'm not looking to gut it. I do love it at times. I'm just looking for a simple/substantial comfort boost, and I'm hoping the springs will pull that off.
« Last Edit: March 26, 2016, 06:41:23 PM by ChrisPrice »

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Re: Improving Ride Comfort
« Reply #5 on: March 27, 2016, 01:01:16 AM »
I'd guess there are some NA folks nearby who would be willing to do a straight swap with you. Many NA folks pull their set up for adjustable set ups or turbo set ups. I'd guess there are some cheap sets laying around in someone's garage. If you can get a complete set, the swap is easy and you can test it out.
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Re: Improving Ride Comfort
« Reply #6 on: March 27, 2016, 12:29:47 PM »
Try Contacting Crate Engine Depot and ask for Tom.
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Re: Improving Ride Comfort
« Reply #7 on: March 27, 2016, 03:16:05 PM »
If you want to take some of what you say, then also take the DDM backbone out, what that will do is give the car back the chassis flex the DDM Backbone has taken away.
Try that 1st and then go for the FE2 shucks/springs. The other thing I would suggest is padding the seats as much as you can.
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Re: Improving Ride Comfort
« Reply #8 on: March 27, 2016, 06:38:39 PM »
Pulling the backbone brace is a good idea, I hadn't thought of that because at first I didn't think it would do much. But, the more I look at it... it's worth a shot. It came with the car, by the way.

I'm only hesitant because the thing squeaked like crazy until I got under there to fix it. Which according to DDM, is really rare.
« Last Edit: March 27, 2016, 06:47:25 PM by ChrisPrice »

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Re: Improving Ride Comfort
« Reply #9 on: March 27, 2016, 08:17:51 PM »
If it came with it, then you will have to find a stock replacement for it.  Try DDM for both the stock backbone and the NA suspension.
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Re: Improving Ride Comfort
« Reply #10 on: March 27, 2016, 08:18:01 PM »
Tires can also improve ride comfort.
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Re: Improving Ride Comfort
« Reply #11 on: March 27, 2016, 08:54:27 PM »
Good tip on the tires, but I have Falken Ziex's (also not my call, also came with the car), so I doubt those are causing a rough ride.

I plan to replace them with Eagle Sport's when they wear out this year, I've had excellent ride comfort with F1 and GT's in the past, and the Eagle Sport replaces the GT and is one step below the F1.

I had thought about buying some of the last GS3's custom built for the Kappa, but everyone I've talked to says Eagle Sport is vastly vastly improved from last decade's F1 GS2/GS3.

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Re: Improving Ride Comfort
« Reply #12 on: March 28, 2016, 02:14:30 AM »
What air pressures are you running?

Stock tire size?
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Re: Improving Ride Comfort
« Reply #13 on: March 28, 2016, 01:47:57 PM »
Best bet for the springs is the old standby Ebay I've seen them listed from time to time

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Re: Improving Ride Comfort
« Reply #14 on: March 28, 2016, 03:21:07 PM »
Best bet for the springs is the old standby Ebay I've seen them listed from time to time
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Re: Improving Ride Comfort
« Reply #15 on: March 28, 2016, 03:29:09 PM »
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That's a nice offer, but the springs you just took off, are the same ones ChrisPrice is trying to replace.


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Re: Improving Ride Comfort
« Reply #16 on: March 28, 2016, 03:33:39 PM »
There has got to be a bunch of the NA takeoffs laying around assuming people haven't junked them.  Call DDM, Werks, put up a wanted ad in the classified sections on the forums.
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Re: Improving Ride Comfort
« Reply #17 on: March 28, 2016, 03:52:50 PM »
Yeah I agree, there just has to be a bunch laying around SOMEWHERE!
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Re: Improving Ride Comfort
« Reply #18 on: March 28, 2016, 04:07:56 PM »
We have a bunch of stock stuff here and probably have a couple sets, feel free to give a call.

Also, you may want to look more at the shocks, not the springs. The shocks really will have a lot of effect on how the car rides also, higher compression dampening will make even soft springs feel harsh. You could look at running FE2 shocks with FE3 springs and some really nice bumpstops to give you a more comfortable forgiving ride with some nice progressive loading at the end of the stroke while maintaining your stock ride height.

Just as a quick story, we can run 4 times higher spring rates on one car we do and actually have a better ride than stock that is not harsh at all with some really high end shocks.

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Re: Improving Ride Comfort
« Reply #19 on: March 31, 2016, 11:16:39 AM »
I do happen to have my stock FE2 shocks and springs setting in my garage...but I'd go through Dave first as I'm in no rush to sell them and he could probably use a bit more free space in his shop. LOL

 

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