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Author Topic: I have a noise when on boost with P0236; Won't start after filling the gas tank  (Read 28036 times)

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Offline Brazen17

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Wonder if that happens often?
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Interesting. With my car, on really warm days it if you shut it down and start it back up is when it cranks for a really long time. Off for about 20-30 minutes, kinda sounds like vapor lock. I haven't had any issues with it not wanting to start after refueling.

In warm weather I also end up with gasoline fumes in the cabin.

Rough idle at start seems to happen when these other symptoms haven't happened in a while. Lately it's been gasoline fumes, so it hasn't idled rough in a while.
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gas fumes in the cabin???  Really?  That doesn't seem good to me.

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Gas fumes or exhaust fumes?  Loose turbo bolts are pretty frequent on modified cars.  Unless yours is a NA
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Raw gasoline. Doubt it's turbo related since the fuel is injected straight into the cylinder. Thinking it's evap, since I've been getting an evap leak: large code being thrown off and on all year.
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Yeah I put it on youtube originally but it takes sometime to go public...

here you go

The "chuff" characteristic of the noise is just the distortion. It is not turbo surge.




Kenny,

I know you are making some headway, but I found this write up on LNF Performance about a similar code and noise to what you were describing:  It's a long read, but helpful.

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DTC P2261
Diagnostic Instructions
• Perform the Diagnostic System Check - Vehicle prior to using this diagnostic procedure.

• Review Strategy Based Diagnosis for an overview of the diagnostic approach.

• Diagnostic Procedure Instructions provides an overview of each diagnostic category.

DTC Descriptor
DTC P2261: Turbocharger Bypass Valve Stuck Closed


System Description
The BorgWarner™ dual-scroll turbocharger (TC) incorporates a wastegate that is controlled by a pressure differential, that is determined by the engine control module (ECM) by means of a PWM solenoid, in order to regulate the pressure ratio of the compressor. A charge air bypass valve is integrated within the unit, and is also controlled by the ECM by utilizing a remotely mounted solenoid to prevent compressor surging and damage from vibrations by opening during abrupt closed throttle conditions. When the valve is commanded open during closed throttle deceleration conditions, the bypass valve allows the air to recirculate in the TC and maintain compressor speed. Within a calibrated range during the closed throttle event, or upon a wide open throttle command, the valve will then close to optimize TC response.

Front wheel drive platforms also incorporate a charge air bypass valve vacuum tank. The purpose of the tank is to provide an instant source of vacuum to the bypass valve, when it is commanded open by the ECM. This results in less pressure buildup under closed throttle conditions, thereby reducing compressor noise and surge.

The purpose of this diagnostic is to determine if the charge air bypass valve is stuck closed. The ECM will first verify the integrity of the following sensors. The ECM then compares the actual measured mass air flow (MAF) to a modeled airflow that is derived from these inputs:

• Throttle position (TP)

• Engine speed

• Intake air pressure sensor

• Manifold absolute pressure (MAP) sensor

Conditions for Running the DTC
• DTCs P0033, P0034, P0035, P0096, P0097, P0098, P0099, P0100, P0101, P0102, P0103, P0106, P0107, P0108, P0121, P0122, P0123, P0221, P0222, P0223, P0234, P0236, P0237, P0238, P0299, P2227, P2228, or P2229, is not set.

• The boost pressure versus the BARO pressure ratio is between 1.1-3.3.

• The charge air bypass valve has been commanded ON for greater than 1 second immediately after an abrupt closed throttle has occurred and the resulting pressure ratio across the compressor exceeds the calibrated pressure ratio limit.

• The battery voltage is between 10-18 volts.

• This DTC runs continuously within the enabling conditions.

Conditions for Setting the DTC
The ECM by comparing the measured MAF to the modeled MAF has detected a series of pulsations in the induction system that exceed a calibrated threshold.

Action Taken When the DTC Sets
DTC P2261 is a Type B DTC.

Conditions for Clearing the MIL/DTC
DTC P2261 is a Type B DTC.

Reference Information
Schematic Reference
Engine Controls Schematics

Connector End View Reference
Component Connector End Views

Description and Operation

• Turbocharger System Description

• Boost Control System Description


Electrical Information Reference

• Circuit Testing

• Connector Repairs

• Testing for Intermittent Conditions and Poor Connections

• Wiring Repairs


DTC Type Reference
Powertrain Diagnostic Trouble Code (DTC) Type Definitions

Scan Tool Reference
Control Module References for scan tool information.

Circuit/System Verification
Verify that DTC P0033, P0034, or P0035 is not set.
⇒ If any of the DTCs are set, refer to DTC P0033, P0034, or P0035.

Use the scan tool output controls to command the TC Bypass Solenoid ON and OFF. An audible click should be heard and felt.
⇒ If the click is not heard or felt, refer to DTC P0033, P0034, or P0035.

Set up the scan tool for a snapshot of the induction data list. With the emergency brake on, the vehicle transmission in neutral, and the engine idling, perform a wide open throttle and then quickly release the accelerator. Review the Boost Pressure Sensor parameter. There should not be any abnormal pulsations of the parameter.
With the parking brake ON and the engine idling in neutral, perform an audible test of the valve by depressing the throttle wide open, then quickly releasing it to a closed throttle position. A valve that is stuck shut will generate a turkey gobble sound. There should not be any unusual noise.
⇒ If there is unusual noise, refer to Turbocharger Cleaning and Inspection.

Operate the vehicle within the Conditions for Running the DTC to verify the DTC does not reset. You may also operate the vehicle within the conditions that you observed from the Freeze Frame/Failure Records data.
Circuit/System Testing
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U-238, gas fumes???? this doesn't sound safe....
maybe you need a mechanic here and not us brainstorming, it's a safety thing...
if it is exhaust related, then check exhaust manifold, exhaust leaks and even fuel tank leaks.. (don t laugh about the latest-been there, done that with an old car-glad to still be alive)

maybe it is just an evap thing or gas pumps thing, but i support the opinion of letting a technician check it for you. gas fumes just sounds scary
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GJ, i'm going to read all that, but FYI that audio clip is out of date. I have a more recent one that is more accurate on page 5.
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yeah, I may have copied the wrong one.  Either way, it may help.  Do you have a turkey gobble sound?  I think that was one of the descriptions they used.  I have heard that from time to time, but always thought it was normal.

I am going to have to investigate this more too.

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My noise is solved, thanks to Joe and linden westers.  I will leave it for a mystery until Joe posts.  He said he would start a thread in a couple of minutes.  It may also explain some of the engine blow ups, particularly if there was that noise every now and again.  The fix only costs $7. 
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PCV right? Like you were talking about on the BB?
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Way to go chuckdoc!!!
special credits to Joe and Lyndon!!!
but pls tell us asap....too much suspense in the forum these days (like it but worried for my car, coz my pcv valve doesn t seem to be working OK)
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Arabas: I had a chat with Kenny, you and him have reported knocks and I made the correlation with your oiled PCV hoses which both of you have it.
Oil being a very low octane could cause lowering the octane IF it gets into the engine so increased knock.
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For any others reading this thread, I did a search through the posts one at a time, and believe the follow up post is dun da da daaa;
http://www.kappaperformance.com/forum/index.php/topic,5079.0.html

Be sure to note the PCV value is actually on the intake side of your LNF. Most ppl refer to the check value as the PCV value and I think that it was replaced in the end in this thread.
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Yeah I got this fixed with the PCV. Well it fixed the not starting thing. P0236 is another thread :)
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