Author Topic: Solstice Drift Build (Read 70815 times)

Kelu · « **Reply #100 on:** December 03, 2010, 09:58:26 PM »

Please don't tell me is an EFR turbo. The new generation from Borg Warner aiming tuning market. I will hate you for that big time

ophidia31 · « **Reply #101 on:** December 03, 2010, 10:17:51 PM »

Hey guys, was just reading about the onstar removal dilemma and I had to look into it. If my solstice has onstar when I get it, I was going to remove that garbage as a first mod but the not starting part i read had me worried. This is what I found. Seems you just had to jump the data lines that are going to and from the vcim (onstar box) and it would send the data right on to the other modules. Sorry for the largeness of it.

frictionfighter · « **Reply #102 on:** December 03, 2010, 10:32:06 PM »

If you manage to do that, let me know! I just chose to run one of Lyndon's (wester's garage) standalone ECMs.

frictionfighter · « **Reply #103 on:** January 04, 2011, 11:31:16 PM »

I hope everyone had an awesome holiday break and HAPPY NEW YEARS!!

BIG NEWS! The turbo came in today!!!

Borg Warner 6258 EFR

Next up, manifold design and build!

Graywolf · « **Reply #104 on:** January 04, 2011, 11:51:15 PM »

Turbo looks great. Borg makes great stuff.

Kelu · « **Reply #105 on:** January 05, 2011, 05:32:26 AM »

Friction you move so slow

I hope you are not so slow on the track too

I was keep thinking to you in the last 2 weeks. I even started to find local sellers for this turbo (shipping overseas a turbo is not a great idea, I have seen cases).

I have some questions now that you got it:
1) You got it from full race? How long did you waited to be delivered.
2) You got the single scroll or twin scroll version of 6258, internally or externally gatted?
3) What type of manifold are you planning to build for it? (log style, equal length, twin scroll, etc)
4) Are you gonna use its own diverter valve or use an external bov/dv?
5) You gonna use compressor speed sensor?

This is first set

frictionfighter · « **Reply #106 on:** January 05, 2011, 11:45:44 PM »

It takes time to do it right the first time around

I could actually spend pages on the boring details of the things I've been doing to put this in play
Furthermore, I'm really not much of a poster. I try to keep it simple and let people ask questions, etc. I apologize for not being more....well not being more.

1) I waited a month or two. There are only 40 of these in the initial delivery.
2) Single scroll, internally gated. All EFR turbos are internally gated. They employ a new technology in the wastegate port that prevents boost creep and other issues that arise from poor internal gate design.
3) More on this soon. We are working on that now.
4) onboard bov
5) Interesting question. Any ideas here? I really haven't given it much thought yet.

kennysabarese · « **Reply #107 on:** January 06, 2011, 01:02:00 PM »

BTF recommends using a turbo speed sensor, he encourages them when he sells his kits. With HPT Pro you can log the turbo speed. Could help with tuning. Certainly cannot hurt.

Any reason you chose to go single scroll instead of twin?

DeepBlueGXP · « **Reply #108 on:** January 06, 2011, 02:10:37 PM »

What good is a turbo speed sensor? It's not like you can control the speed of the wheel?

kennysabarese · « **Reply #109 on:** January 06, 2011, 02:18:28 PM »

It lets you know how hard your turbo is working and if you are using it to it's full potential.

From Garrett

Comparing boost levels and shaft speed on a compressor map, you can determine the ideal operating conditions to insure peak power over a wider operating range.

The data gained from the Garrett® Turbocharger Speed Sensor Kit can be used to closely estimate the engine's flow behavior without a flow bench.

Flow information is invaluable for determining if the turbocharger is reaching its maximum performance, for validating the turbo match, and for insuring that it is not overspeeding, allowing you to avoid potentially damaging operating conditions. This could even be used in conjunction with an aftermarket ECU to limit compressor speed

kennysabarese · « **Reply #110 on:** January 06, 2011, 02:21:18 PM »

Lets talk about speed sensors here:

http://www.kappaperformance.com/forum/index.php/topic,5970.msg83261/topicseen.html#new

Sol Asylum · « **Reply #111 on:** January 06, 2011, 02:24:17 PM »

Quote from: DeepBlueGXP on January 06, 2011, 02:10:37 PM

What good is a turbo speed sensor? It's not like you can control the speed of the wheel?

You can control the speed of a turbo by adjusting the waste gate. So if software can control the waste gate you can use the speed of the T wheel to adjust the tune.

frictionfighter · « **Reply #112 on:** January 07, 2011, 12:34:57 AM »

The speed sensor is on the compressor side

Sol Asylum · « **Reply #113 on:** January 07, 2011, 12:08:48 PM »

It doesn't matter which side its on as the T wheel and impeller are direct drive meaning they run at the same RPM.

frictionfighter · « **Reply #114 on:** January 07, 2011, 12:42:41 PM »

Right! Thanks for your thoughts and insight guys!

DeepBlueGXP · « **Reply #115 on:** January 07, 2011, 12:44:34 PM »

When do you expect to have her running again?

frictionfighter · « **Reply #116 on:** January 07, 2011, 02:04:41 PM »

We have quite a bit of work to do still and very few people to accomplish tasks (hence the wait). Nevertheless, we are making big progress in the areas that count.

We are working on the design of the manifold now. It really should not be that difficult due to the flange (t25) and the amount of room in the engine bay. After we complete the turbo setup, I will start datalogging and sending Lyndon (wester's garage) the logs so we can develop a healthy tune for this build.

Past that, I still haven't decided on wheels, steering wheel, hub and rack, control arms, and other external components like exhaust, cooling, intercooler, etc. If I hate anything about the kappa platform, it's the 5x110 bolt pattern.

I am really excited to see what the EFR series turbo can do. Fast spool and therefore a broad power-band is the imperative in an arena where eight cylinder configurations are becoming the standard. The EFR series turbochargers also offer packaging that is no less than brilliant. The on-board boost control solenoid, compressor recirculation valve, speed sensing and high flow internal gating will yield an ease of integration that is unparalleled in our arena.

Seriously, it is packaged like a supercharger and the price is easily justified by the components included.

Kelu · « **Reply #117 on:** January 07, 2011, 02:24:28 PM »

Well, I said it and I will repeat it, very interested in your build, especially regarding the turbo, tune and results of it. Are you gonna do a tune with pump gas? any thoughts about race gas?

I agree with 5x110 bolt pattern, I feel this pain for 4 years already (previously owned another Opel with 5x110 too). Around here when people asking why I say Opel has nothing to do with this car, I explain them that Opel has NOTHING in this car except this stupid bolt pattern.
Friction one small info: Team Dynamics

frictionfighter · « **Reply #118 on:** January 11, 2011, 03:48:12 PM »

Team Dynamics?

Kelu · « **Reply #119 on:** January 11, 2011, 04:14:27 PM »

http://www.teamdynamicsracing.com/competition_wheels.htm
8,5 kg/rim same as Oz Ultralegerra but around here but I paid half of the Oz and I could choose the ET.
They are pretty known in Mini and Lotus community and they do 5x110 bolt pattern.

frictionfighter · « **Reply #120 on:** January 11, 2011, 04:21:58 PM »

Ah nice work!

frictionfighter · « **Reply #121 on:** February 23, 2011, 10:00:25 PM »

Hey guys! I'm terribly sorry that it has been so long. We are still hard at work on the Solstice!! Great news too, Kelu bought a slightly larger variant of the Borg Warner EFR turbo that I am running!! It will be interesting to make comparisons. My compressor housing is a 62mm, his will be a 67mm.

Currently, we have the hardtop mounted and the cage nearing completion. We are also working on a tubular manifold, downpipe, and exhaust for the 6258 EFR turbo setup!

Please be patient, I promise it will pay off!

DeepBlueGXP · « **Reply #122 on:** February 23, 2011, 10:07:01 PM »

Cool, any updated photos?

frictionfighter · « **Reply #123 on:** February 23, 2011, 10:12:28 PM »

Not much to see yet...

Dzus Clips on the Norm's coupe hardtop

DeepBlueGXP · « **Reply #124 on:** February 23, 2011, 10:14:10 PM »

How is the fitment over the left and right tail lights. The actual coupe has a modified tail light design that is recessed a little so it doesn't rub on the top.

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