Topic: Werks "welded" Street intercooler

[Kuprito]

I received (surprised) a welded (could be a 2 core) Werks Street intercooler yesterday. I had been waiting a long time for it so I put it on the car really fast so no unfitted pics, sorry.

Does anybody know why werks has changed the design of his Street IC? I have not seen pics of any Werks Street IC with this welding... Is that an improvement? A mule test? A...? What is?

Werks didn't let me know of that, and I think they should...

The welding goes side by side (horizontal) in de middle of the core. The rest of the intercooler seems to be like the announced unit.












Thanks

[SKY888]

wow, it looked like 2 core units bonded into one


carlos, did you try contacting werks...and asked what's going on?

[Kuprito]

Yes. I did it yesterday.

No answer yet.

[SKY888]

I like WERKS, and I have nothing against them.

But I would personally return this item.....and have them either give your money back (including all shipping fees)..................OR........pay all the shipping expense and replace this with a single core IC.

[IBDRINKEN]

I like WERKS, and I have nothing against them.

But I would personally return this item.....and have them either give your money back (including all shipping fees)..................OR........pay all the shipping expense and replace this with a single core IC.

Something doesnt look right there...

[Kuprito]

I think they should...

I've spent more than 3000$ on their shop and no nice gestures from them, just bad manners.

PS: I wanted a NON "werks" word painted unit, and see what I receive.

[SKY888]

with that WELD.....you're basically missing a row of FINS, that will help in cooling

[Arabas]

Kuprito you shouldn't have placed it on.
i believe you should return that and get a refund.

it seems like they used some of the part that they had and welded the rest from a new shipment they had got... too bad

[kennysabarese]

I would contact them before this thread gets out of hand.

[snaponbob]

I would contact them before this thread gets out of hand.

I fully agree. It is unfair to draw conclusions until the O.P. has some answers from the vendors. Let's cool it before Mods have to look further at this thread. The vendor deserves an opportunity to discuss this with the customer (O.P.)

Thanks.

[1LILNDN]

I would contact them before this thread gets out of hand.

I Agree 100

I think they should...
I've spent more than 3000$ on their shop and no nice gestures from them, just bad manners.
PS: I wanted a NON "werks" word painted unit, and see what I receive.

After seeing it was to his unliking He should have contacted Werks 1st thing

[spicy3480]

It seems as though the OP was simply asking if what he noticed was normal, or if anyone knew of a design change.  Usually, in these cases, it is best to first contact the vendor and see if it can be remedied outside of the forum.  Just some friendly advice:)

[Kuprito]

I Agree 100

After seeing it was to his unliking He should have contacted Werks 1st thing

I DID

[Kuprito]

Kuprito you shouldn't have placed it on.
i believe you should return that and get a refund.

it seems like they used some of the part that they had and welded the rest from a new shipment they had got... too bad

Not possible my friend.

I had been waiting 2 weeks due to a backorder (I think) + 1 month of shipping (Due to Customs here in Spain) and I payed 100$ for the customs.

I need the car, I can't wait for a return + a new shipping + customs (more money).

Don't missunderstand me. I am asking if anybody knows why werks changed the design. I spend a lot of time researching on the net, and I've not seen anything similar to this.

2 thin cores + welding is more expensive and takes more time than a bigger core, so I don't think it's a cost matter. Weldings are perfect, very well done, but as you can see, that's not a clean IC.

I think werks should let me know of that before paying. I buy things by picture (remember I live overseas), and I received a different item than I thought. Look at the pics on their website, the announced intercooler has no weldings.

And I repeat, the first thing I did was to send werks an e-mail. I am still waiting for their answer.  Leaving aside the reason of the change in design, why werks didn't let me know of that??? As Antonio said, I am loosing an entire row of cooling... and it's not the most aesthetic intercooler I've seen.

Thanks.

[werks]

We are actually going to be offering these as 2 different price point alternatives - The seam FMICs will be priced $75.00 less than the regular vrsion for guys looking to save a fe extra bucks.  There is zero performance difference, only cosmetic.

Kuprito - I received your e-mail this morning and I sent you a reply regarding this earlier today -

[werks]

Not possible my friend.

I had been waiting 2 weeks due to a backorder (I think) + 1 month of shipping (Due to Customs here in Spain) and I payed 100$ for the customs.

I need the car, I can't wait for a return + a new shipping + customs (more money).

Don't missunderstand me. I am asking if anybody knows why werks changed the design. I spend a lot of time researching on the net, and I've not seen anything similar to this.

2 thin cores + welding is more expensive and takes more time than a bigger core, so I don't think it's a cost matter. Weldings are perfect, very well done, but as you can see, that's not a clean IC.

I think werks should let me know of that before paying. I buy things by picture (remember I live overseas), and I received a different item than I thought. Look at the pics on their website, the announced intercooler has no weldings.

And I repeat, the first thing I did was to send werks an e-mail. I am still waiting for their answer.  Leaving aside the reason of the change in design, why werks didn't let me know of that??? As Antonio said, I am loosing an entire row of cooling... and it's not the most aesthetic intercooler I've seen.

Thanks.

Carlos,

You were supposed to have been notified of this option, but for whatever reason this did not happen.  IC cores backorder frequently so in order to try and keep these things on the shelf more we are taking 2, smaller cores and welding them together.  Since a lot of people don't like the bead going down the middle of the core, we are offering these at a lower price even though it takes longer to build than a non-seamed IC.

I will be updating the website and forums shortly...

[werks]

Sending Carlos a new Intercooler without the seam!

[spider]

Aww, I love happy endings!

[werks]

To hopefully clear up a lot of confusion, frustration adn mis-communication on oure end we have 2 different "Street" FMICs available for the LNF Kappa.

We are now offering additional cost savings/options on our popular Solstice/SKY/OPEL GT "Street" FMICs -

We have a new lower cost option for the core that includes a seam weld down the middle of the FMIC, we weld 2 smaller cores together.  For the people who don't care about the seam and just want the best bang for the buck, this is for you!

We are also offering logo options, you can order the units with or without the WERKS logo

Both of these options are now on the website here -

http://www.performanceautowerks.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=334_165_166&products_id=1702

Non-Welded seam version (LNF Kappa)-


Welded seam verison (LNF Cobalt/HHR SS) -

[LatinVenom]

with that WELD.....you're basically missing a row of FINS, that will help in cooling

Sorry but that is.
NOT TRUE!!!!!

If you want to verify it now that you have the pictures, is the same number of rows and the same volume.

[SKY888]

Sorry but that is.
NOT TRUE!!!!!

If you want to verify it now that you have the pictures, is the same number of rows and the same volume.

Remove a row of fins on your IC....and tell me if the cooling capabilities of your IC is the same.    It simply will not be the same due to less surface area.   

anyways, I'm glad that WERKS and Carlos, worked it out.......

happy ending....

[boardkat]

Remove a row of fins on your IC....and tell me if the cooling capabilities of your IC is the same.    It simply will not be the same due to less surface area.   

as mentioned in the previous post, i don't think that's the case here.  there are twelve rows of cooling fins in both versions.

[SKY888]

as mentioned in the previous post, i don't think that's the case here.  there are twelve rows of cooling fins in both versions.

Yeah...same number of rows of fins.

but  both of you were not meticulous enough to observe the top and bottom fins.   Compare them against the IC that has no seam.     The top and bottom fins of the seam-less IC are the same size as the other fins.....................then now look at the top and bottom fins of the IC with weld.  These fins are about half the size of the other fins.

Less surface area for the IC with weld...due to that fin size issue.

[Helios]

Sorry but that is.
NOT TRUE!!!!!

If you want to verify it now that you have the pictures, is the same number of rows and the same volume.

I agree with you LV. There are 12 rows of cooling vents on both the welded and non-welded ICs. There won't be a any loss of cooling capacity. Getting the welded version is just less aesthetically pleasing.

[Helios]

Yeah...same number of rows of fins.

but  both of you were not meticulous enough to observe the top and bottom fins.   Compare them against the IC that has no seam.     The top and bottom fins of the seam-less IC are the same size as the other fins.....................then now look at the top and bottom fins of the IC with weld.  These fins are about half the size of the other fins.

Less surface area for the IC with weld...due to that fin size issue.

I did notice the difference in size of the top and bottom rows. The weld seam would still make up for some of the lost surface area. Even, IF there was a difference or loss of cooling it would be negligible.