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Offline Graywolf

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Complete Brake failure on race course=Crash
« on: June 05, 2011, 07:12:07 PM »
Memorial day weekend, Saturday was all day practice @ Black Hawk Raceway north of Rockford ,Illinois. The track is about 1.5 miles long 7 turn track. I noticed my brake pedal was a little soft but nothing major. Recently put on new Hawk brake pads that were not broken in yet. It was 89 degrees out and the car temp would hit 227 degrees after 10 - 12 laps but would cool down with one cool down lap. My last practice lap the car engine died in a 90mph corner. I went off the track doing about 50mph and came to a stop.[Didn't want another car to rear end me]My engine was blazing hot and so were my brakes]No cool down! They towed me in to the pit area. Being a average mechanic ,I figured the problem out quickly,no fuel pressue. After I put gas in the car it started right up.[I averaged 7 mpg running 100 octane] Put the car in my trailer and left it @ the track for Time attack on Monday. !st practice lap Monday, good brakes turn 1&2 , no brakes approaching turn 3,went off into wet grass and crashed into very heavy brush avoiding the big trees. I would have rear ended a nice corvette if I did swerve off course. I was so entangled in the heavy brush the car had to be lifted out by the roll bar with a tow truck. Damage-Extreme dimension front end,stainless steel wind splitter, and Hahn Intercooler completely demolished including front towing hook. Brakes Front calipers melted seals and not useable ,front rotors burnt scored, brake pads toast. Rears  not as bad. Not sure why they failed completely all @ once unless I had air in the line from brakes boiling over after shutting down with no cool down lap on Saturday. Next race is in 6 days and I have allot to do on the car
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Re: Complete Brake failure on race course=Crash
« Reply #1 on: June 05, 2011, 07:21:18 PM »
Damn Wolf  glad you are okay.  Sounds like the car can be fixed as long as your pockets are big enough. 
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Re: Complete Brake failure on race course=Crash
« Reply #2 on: June 05, 2011, 07:22:59 PM »
Ummmmmmmmmmmmm ... ow. Race calipers on the buy list?
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Re: Complete Brake failure on race course=Crash
« Reply #3 on: June 05, 2011, 07:40:36 PM »
Pockets are near empty,will use stock front end and stock intercooler which I had in storage. I couldn't find a set of calipers that could be shipped that day. Replaced front calipers with oem, Rotors and pads replaced with  EBC slotted and drilled front and back. Still awaiting intercooler bracket. Got great pictures of running Saturday that i will have to post. I have the crash and rescue on video in HD taken with Hero camera on my roll bar,Great quality. I first have to figure out how to down load it to my computer and then to Kappa Forum.  Do not expect to see these anytime soon.
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Re: Complete Brake failure on race course=Crash
« Reply #4 on: June 05, 2011, 08:41:39 PM »
Pockets are near empty,will use stock front end and stock intercooler which I had in storage. I couldn't find a set of calipers that could be shipped that day. Replaced front calipers with oem, Rotors and pads replaced with  EBC slotted and drilled front and back. Still awaiting intercooler bracket. Got great pictures of running Saturday that i will have to post. I have the crash and rescue on video in HD taken with Hero camera on my roll bar,Great quality. I first have to figure out how to down load it to my computer and then to Kappa Forum.  Do not expect to see these anytime soon.


If you have a card reader in your computer, just drop the SD card in its slot, and if it does not "auto-run" use Windows Explorer (assuming a PC) to select the drive and the video. Click on it, and it should run. If the video is good, upload it to Photobucket (or something like that) and then just share the link.

Stepping into Captain Obvious mode, if the stock brakes fried, the stock brakes will fry !!!!!!!!!!!!! Just as over cooking a turn will result in of traction, over cooking the brakes will kill them. The "fix" for both is to back off some. Point of curiosity - what wheels are you using? While standing up here on a soap box, if the front end became so hot the calipers had a melt down, be very aware that all the heat was going elsewhere! Keep eyes and ears open for any noises from the front wheel hubs.
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Re: Complete Brake failure on race course=Crash
« Reply #5 on: June 05, 2011, 10:00:52 PM »
Oz ultraleggra with Hoosier A6 and R6.  I don't see a slot on my computer.
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Re: Complete Brake failure on race course=Crash
« Reply #6 on: June 05, 2011, 10:29:23 PM »
Oz ultraleggra with Hoosier A6 and R6.  I don't see a slot on my computer.
Which GoPro do you have?

I wonder if they will not vent air as well as stocks might.
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Re: Complete Brake failure on race course=Crash
« Reply #7 on: June 05, 2011, 11:29:07 PM »
I have the last version which is Hero HD for cars. The Oz wheels have alot more air space than the stock wheels.
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Re: Complete Brake failure on race course=Crash
« Reply #8 on: June 05, 2011, 11:40:26 PM »
I have the last version which is Hero HD for cars. The Oz wheels have alot more air space than the stock wheels.

Should be able to use the USB cable to hook the camera to the computer. On page 2 of the manual theer are instructions for downloading your videos. http://www.uniquesquared.com/eBayImgs/Manuals/HD_HERO_en_instructions_v01.pdf
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Re: Complete Brake failure on race course=Crash
« Reply #9 on: June 06, 2011, 04:34:54 AM »
Sorry to hear that.  I have some extra stock front calipers I can ship you.

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Re: Complete Brake failure on race course=Crash
« Reply #10 on: June 06, 2011, 04:35:51 AM »
I have stock brake lines also if needed
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Re: Complete Brake failure on race course=Crash
« Reply #11 on: June 06, 2011, 05:11:19 AM »
Glad u are OK graywolf.
sorry to hear about this.
is it possible that you had brake fluids leaking?
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Re: Complete Brake failure on race course=Crash
« Reply #12 on: June 06, 2011, 10:14:42 AM »
Yes, SO glad you are okay!

Sounds pretty scary. Hope you get it back working fast.

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Re: Complete Brake failure on race course=Crash
« Reply #13 on: June 06, 2011, 10:18:29 AM »
I may have some brake lines as well in my storage unit...lemme know if you need them and I can go dig them out.
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Re: Complete Brake failure on race course=Crash
« Reply #14 on: June 06, 2011, 12:03:28 PM »
Yowie! Glad you are ok! I was also wondering about a fluid leak, maybe as a result of the first crash?
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Re: Complete Brake failure on race course=Crash
« Reply #15 on: June 06, 2011, 02:48:42 PM »
Sorry to hear about this. To walk away with only damage to your car, you were very skilled and lucky that day. Thank your lucky stars. Hope you are able to get the car track prepared again before your next run.
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Re: Complete Brake failure on race course=Crash
« Reply #16 on: June 06, 2011, 02:58:42 PM »
Ditto with Ct Solstice post above.  Just so fortunate that you were not injured.  Cars can be repaired, sometimes, people cannot!
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Re: Complete Brake failure on race course=Crash
« Reply #17 on: June 06, 2011, 04:49:56 PM »
Glad you are OK but since you said the setup was new, maybe something during the install did not go right.
I am assuming the brake fluid was not the standard one that comes with the car.
Hope you get everything back together and you can race again.
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Re: Complete Brake failure on race course=Crash
« Reply #18 on: June 06, 2011, 11:40:56 PM »
Thank you guys for your thoughts and offering of parts. Car is already put together and almost ready to race this Saturday @ Autobahn raceway in Joilet ,ILLinois. However a test drive today revealed a scraping sound coming from the passenger side rear wheel. Srape pause scrape pause srape etc. Any Ideas
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Re: Complete Brake failure on race course=Crash
« Reply #19 on: June 07, 2011, 12:12:30 AM »
Brakes not tightened down right?  You said new brakes all around right?  Bent axel?
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Re: Complete Brake failure on race course=Crash
« Reply #20 on: June 07, 2011, 02:58:30 AM »
However a test drive today revealed a scraping sound coming from the passenger side rear wheel. Srape pause scrape pause srape etc. Any Ideas

it is doing it at all times or is it doing this sound only when you are turning towards a specific direction i.e. turning right?
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Re: Complete Brake failure on race course=Crash
« Reply #21 on: June 07, 2011, 09:04:57 AM »
Bent wheel? 
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Re: Complete Brake failure on race course=Crash
« Reply #22 on: June 07, 2011, 09:20:39 AM »
Do you have the GXP brake vents that come through the bumper, that could be hitting the wheel

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Re: Complete Brake failure on race course=Crash
« Reply #23 on: June 07, 2011, 09:35:53 AM »
Joe, i think he said he hears the sound from the rear passenger wheel
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Re: Complete Brake failure on race course=Crash
« Reply #24 on: June 07, 2011, 09:53:29 AM »
oops, read through it too fast. 

Bent rotor? 

 

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