Topic: Let's Talk F1

[Sol Asylum]

Story of my life right there.

[Critterman]

Way too many people stuffed in your Kappa, besides I am going to Lexington.  I am about tripped out at the moment.  But thinks for the offer SA.

[Gentleman Jack]

Story of my life right there.

You just need to tell more people that you're a multimillionaire. Then all of a sudden people will like you.

[Sol Asylum]

Way too many people stuffed in your Kappa, besides I am going to Lexington.  I am about tripped out at the moment.  But thinks for the offer SA.

Unfortunately I won't be going either, I had a better offer.

[elff]

LOLOL
I would like to do Austin one year. 

[elff]

2018.   

Make it happen!!

[elff]

Todays race re-inforced why I do not like Perez. 
Ocon had the potential to get third and when he had an opportunity to safely pass Perez, Perez blocks him and costs himself and Ocon a position.  They could have finished 3rd and 4 or 5th.  Instead they get 5th and 6th.  That was a Total Douchebag move. 

Ricardo handled himself under pressure to hold onto third and he looked exhausted after the race.

Great Drive by Hamilton.  He owned the entire weekend.  I had a feeling if he got a good start, no one could touch him after his Pole Position time.   Bottas followed suite and was similarly impressive and they put MB back in the lead.

Good day for Lance.  Perfect place for him to get his first F1 points.

Crazy crash on lap 1.  Not sure what Sainz was doing.  Maybe he just did not see Grosjean.

[elff]

Forgot to mention
That was one of the best Post Race interview sessions.  Patrick Stewart for the win.

[Gentleman Jack]

This was awesome.

And right now I'm really pissed off at Perez and really proud of Ocon and Team Pink. So close.

[Critterman]

Perez needs to be handed his walking papers.  Team pink did well but could have done better if team orders had been properly issued and followed.

Hamilton was in a zone all weekend

Vettle with the first lap incident, two pit stops, and basically starting from 18th showed why he is a world champion.  Don't have to like the guy, but you do have to admire his driving.

Lance did really well for a track he had never been on before this weekend.

All of the post race interviews both on and off of the podium were fantastic.  Steward almost begged for a drink from the shoe.

[Sol Asylum]

I wonder how much things would have changed if Ver's car hadn't failed.

[LatinVenom]

Qualifying today and the race tomorrow morning.
I just do not like this type of circuit been setup inside city streets.
Hard to pass and potentially lost of accidents.

[elff]

Well you sure were right about the accidents.

Very exciting race with a complete surprise at the end.

I have to say, the Karma train caught up with Perez.  His actions at last race, probably had an effect on Ocon drifting wide after that turn.  Whether that was done consciously or subconsciously we will never know, but if Perez did not flat out ignore team orders and block Ocon last race, Ocon may have tried to stay a little more inside.   But that is the chance you always take when you try to pass on the outside. Especially on a track this tight.

I'll wait for everyone else to watch before commenting further.

[Gentleman Jack]

I am really getting fed up with the Team Pink bullshit.

Vettle lost his mind for a few seconds

Really pretty race course.

Who hasnt watched?

[LatinVenom]

Just remember both drivers have put a lot money from a constructors view point, to a team with less cache than MaClaren/Honda, Martini racing, Hass, Toro Rosso etc. At this point the team needs to get both drivers in a room and reminded them is a team effort.
Vettle needs to rethink his frustrations if he wants to win the top spot this year. Also Hamilton needs to think about the team and not about himself, when asking the team for a favor that would be detrimental to his team mate.

[Critterman]

It was the race expected last year.   I was a very interesting race for sure.

[elff]

Hamilton should have won.
Whoever was responsible for putting the headliner in, cost him the win.  That was not his driving, the yellow/red flags or his pit stops.

Vettel should have been penalized more IMHO.  People get 10 second stop and go penalties for stuff a lot less severe than that all the time. That's a slap on the wrist and what Vettel did should have been disciplined more 

Perez needs to learn how to drive.  It's been years and he constantly puts his car into places and expects the other driver to get out of his way.
That did not happen this weekend and I am glad it cost him his race.   On a course this narrow, you should not expect to pass on the outside of a turn and expect the other drivers to get out of your way.  If they are going into the turn with as much speed as possible, they are going to apex it.
When the car on the inside apexes a turn, the car on the outside gets put into the wall.
That's shit you learn in cart racing.

On a positive good driving note.  Lance has looked strong the past 2 races.  Looks like the kid can drive and is finding his groove

[Critterman]

I agree with everything you said.  It was an interesting race with a lot of action.

[LatinVenom]

I really do not know why nothing ever comes to Hamilton, yes I do not like him, although he is great driver, but that does not excuse his behavior.
Vettel paid the price for his mistake, but Hamilton did also and I am glad neither one made podium.

[elff]

Maybe you don't see it, but your posts seem to have a very anti MB tone to them.

Hamilton did nothing wrong, in fact, he was listening to his team's radio transmission.
It was broadcast and even the 3 announcers discussed it.   He was backing off to avoid hitting the safety car on the restart.  The restart before that, he apparently came upon the safety car too fast and almost hit it. 

On top of that, under those conditions,  and before the safety car is released, the drivers need to be aware of cars around them.  Everyone is doing stuff to keep heat in their tires.

Just like street driving, the majority of the responsibility is for the 2nd vehicle, not the front. 

Vettel's reaction was wrong, Hamilton was following his Team's advice.

Shit, if anyone should be penalized, it's Perez.   Grosjean was suspended for an entire race at one point for driving too aggressive and Perez has caused multiple accidents in multiple seasons

[LatinVenom]

I chastise both drivers. I also made the comment about Perez in this and thee other race, he is very aggressive, but from the team point of view he has made them millions. Remember the team is in 5th place just below Red Bull.
The other thing, was it OK for Hamilton to ask to have Bottas (spelling) slow down so as to have some impact on Vettel, NO that is selfish on his part and the reason Nico did not like him as a partner.

[elff]

Yea, but that is an inner team thing and Hamilton asked. Bottas is not in the running for the driver championship at the moment but Hamilton is, so I understand the question.
I do applaud MB for their answer.

Compare that to the way Perez drove when he was on McLaren. McLaren did not need his money and dropped him after 1 season because of that. 
Compare that to how he is driving with his current team.  He cost them money 2 races ago and he cost them money this race by being selfish, stupid and too aggressive.

Nicco caused more problems for MB than Hamilton.  Bottas is a far better driver than Nico ever was and since he retired, ever will be.  Nico got lucky and he retired knowing it.  If Hamilton's car did not break down the 1 race he was coasting to a first place win and Nico would not have been the champion.  That was after Nico took them both out by forcing Hamilton to the grass on a straight.  Nico lucked out, and IMHO ed out knowing it.  Dude is a multimillion who was raised by multimillionaires so this was not a money thing.

Bringing money to a team doesn't excuse you for driving like a reckless asshole.  He is not bringing money to the other teams. 
Perez should have been suspended by F1, not Saudi for his driving similar to how Grosjean was when he was driving too aggressive.
Definitely should have been suspended after Monaco this year and the year after he drove Kimi off the track coming out of the tunnel. 

[Critterman]

Bottas is a good driver and a team player.  Ham never asked him to hold up Vettle, he asked the team.  Team said they didn't think it was a good idea and never passed the info on to Bottas.  He would have followed team orders.

Perez on the other hand is a hack with money.  He occasionally drives well.   There are a lot of good drivers in sub standard cars.

[LatinVenom]

Just because you do not like the guy is no way to not see the accomplishment he and the other driver of a not so wealthy team have accomplish.
They are on 5th place. I do not care for Hamilton, however that does not mean I think he does not deserve most of his accomplishments.
Perez and the Pink team is not in my radar, but at least I can tell what he has done. I wish he and other drivers would not be as reckless/selfish at times,
since one of this days something awful could happen. I hate when Vettel acts like a spoil brat, this guy is a season driver plus has a few champion ships under his belt and should behave as one, same goes for others.
By the way I like Bottas even though Kimi does not like him to much, the young man behaves and conducts himself very professional.
One of my favorites drivers is Riciardo from Red Bull, and Ves, although he is aggressive, has shown a lot of maturity lately, vs last year, great for the young man, let's hope Red Bull can improve the car and put them both in a much better contention, or maybe he will move to Ferrari will see. 
 
 

[elff]

The problem I have with Perez and his accomplishments is that he has achieved some of those with some very sketchy driving on a consistent basis.  He has caused accidents that have cost other teams he is not paying 6 digits worth of money. 

I am not a fan of Vettel.  Haven't liked him since the day he took the win from Mark Weber when Weber had out driven him all race and then followed team orders and switched down a tune to preserve the engine and Vettel did not and passed Weber on the last lap.
I will not dispute the skill he has though.   
Bottas is awesome, got an incredible opportunity this season to get into one of the best cars on the Grid and is making the most of it.  He has instantly shown MB, that he is worth every penny they pay him.  On top of his on track performance, you are correct, he is a great ambassador to the sport.  Always polite, always well spoken and a perfect Team player.   Vestappen I agree and he is another example of why I don't like Perez.  Vestappen was driving too aggressive, he was spoken to, and now he is driving just as fast but with more regard to the other drivers on track.