Kappa Performance Forum
Kappa Specific => Problems and Service => Topic started by: rotarypiston on February 25, 2014, 06:27:54 PM
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Figured I would let everyone know.
http://blog.caranddriver.com/more-than-750000-chevrolet-cobalts-and-pontiac-g5s-recalled-after-six-deaths-related-to-ignition-fault/
Update: Less than two weeks ago, General Motors announced it would recall more than 750,000 2005–2007 Chevrolet Cobalts and 2007 Pontiac G5 compacts. Today, GM announced that it is expanding the scope of the recall to include 2003–2007 Saturn Ions, 2006–2007 Chevrolet HHRs, and 2006–2007 Pontiac Solstice and Saturn Sky models. That brings the total of U.S. vehicles affected by the recall to more than 1.36 million vehicles.
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Thanks rotarypiston for the thread! I just finished hearing about the recall on NBC channel 4 here in Olathe, Kansas!
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I used this link to check and see if mine was recalled:
https://my.gm.com/web/portal/recalls
Hope this helps.
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mine was not on the list. don't know if I should be happy or sad.
at least im still alive..
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My '8 will get that part replaced anyway since I have a close friend who works as a GM mechanic. I'm going to try to get it covered under GMPP.
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My '8 will get that part replaced anyway since I have a close friend who works as a GM mechanic. I'm going to try to get it covered under GMPP.
Ya my car was built in February 2008 so I am not sure if my car has an 07 module in it or not. :( I may do the same as you
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Mine's not on the list either.
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Our early build 2007 Pontiac Solstice GXP is pictured right on the cover of Wednesday's USA TODAY along with 2003-07 Saturn ION, 2006-07 Chevrolet HHR, and 2007 Saturn Sky. The headline is "Deaths double: GM widens recall"...so sad about the deaths so far of those who have died in this recall. Such a sad day indeed! Our hearts go out to those who did not make it!
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06/07 Solstice and Sky's now on the list
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/gm-adds-588000-vehicles-to-recall/ (http://www.cbsnews.com/news/gm-adds-588000-vehicles-to-recall/)
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I just looked up my 06 (if I guessed the VIN right based on another 06 VIN) and it didn't come up. But pretty sure it probably should be on the list!
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Mine didn't pop up either, the list may not have been updated yet. I'm a Feb 06 build
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Mine isn't either, wonder if the still need to populate the database
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I'm an Oct 05 build. I bet it hasn't updated yet
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I JUST CHECK WITH MY COWORKER (GM ADVISOR).
They HAVE NOT added vins yet. ALL of our cars in those years will be recalled. There is no parts in dealers yet.
We have been advised to take off ALL OTHER KEYS until the new part comes out.
I, like to live dangerously, so I will not. Mainly cause I don't want to lose my keys.
I will keep you guys posted on what I can...
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I don't have a ton of keys on my keychain and I figure if I've made it this long...I can make it a little longer!
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I JUST CHECK WITH MY COWORKER (GM ADVISOR).
They HAVE NOT added vins yet. ALL of our cars in those years will be recalled. There is no parts in dealers yet.
We have been advised to take off ALL OTHER KEYS until the new part comes out.
I, like to live dangerously, so I will not. Mainly cause I don't want to lose my keys.
I will keep you guys posted on what I can...
I have been preaching that for 50+ years. My key ring has always been limited to the car keys and a house key. I have 4 sets of keys one for each vehicle.
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Since this is my weekend toy, the only key on the ring is the one for the Solstice.
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mine is my daily, but I have my Saturn key, the fob...2 work keys, 2 house keys, 2 very small toolbox keys and that's IT. nothing compared to what I HAVE seen on customers key chains lol.
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My solstice keys have only the car key, fob, and one has the small plastic dealership key ring, while the other has a small keychain. That is it. No other keys. No extras.
My G6 has my car key, fob, work key, house key, key to Dad's house, small Iowa Hawkeye key chain and the little plastic barcode thingy for my gym. That's my worst one. I used to have tons of stuff on my key chain when my camaro was my daily driver, but I've gotten less and less over the years. In fact, I sometimes carry a separate key ring from the car keys since I change cars enough in the summer. I put all the house and work keys on that ring and the cars have nothing else on them so I'm not running around with both sets of car keys all the time.
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I always cringe at people who put a lot of keys and trinkets together resulting a heavy load on the ignition key while driving. In the past, I have seen cases where the key just came out of the tumbler but didn't shut off ignition. Imagine the load on an ignition key where vibration always exists and then add load that's 10x (maybe even more) the weight of the key itself.
I separate my other keys (house, garage) from car keys. The key for one car has only the remote fob for that car attached to it; no medallion, no pendant, no photo holder, no flash drive, no keycard, no ID card, no lanyard, no nothing else. House & garage keys are on a separate chain.
This is safer in a way that if you lost a key chain, it would be limited to the key for that one car or the key to the house or someone else's house. Granted that a key doesn't exactly have a house address printed on it, but it's still a remote possibility that it can be used inappropriately.
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I would call Customer care to verify. My Vin was not on the site but when I called customer care they said my vin was included in the recall.
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They probably won't update VINs or send out notices until parts are received.
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I am not overly concerned as my car isn't going anywhere until:
1. All the snow is gone
2. All the salt is washed off the roads
3. It warms up at least 40+ degrees
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What he said, except I'll drive it below 40 degrees.
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I am not overly concerned as my car isn't going anywhere until:
1. All the snow is gone
2. All the salt is washed off the roads
What he said, except I'll drive it below 40 degrees.
Same here. Seems as this year is going with the salt, and snow, won't be gone till 2015!
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Same here. Seems as this year is going salt, and snow, won't be gone till 2015!
What he said, except I'll drive it below 40 degrees.
Summer tires don't like the cold roads
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Yeah but here in central Hellinois we don't have twisty roads so as long as I don't do something foolish the tires aren't much of an issue.
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Summer tires don't like the cold roads
True That! That and it Damn Cold out for the top down! 20 degrees and holding....Waaaah!
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From an article today in Ward's Auto...
"GM says it received more field reports in 2005 of the Cobalt losing engine power. The next year, GM approved changes to the switch design by supplier Delphi Mechatronics; the changeover occurred during the 2007 model year. But it was not until 2011 that GM started a formal inquiry into a cluster of crashes of cars from 2007 and earlier in which the airbags did not deploy."
So the change happened in the 2007 model years and because the part number didn't change they can't track what vehicles the defective switches went into. They haven't got much choice but to recall the whole model year.
If any of us have to change out ignition switch in the future how are we going to know if it's the old design or the new design. :devil:
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This one might work a bit better:
http://money.cnn.com/2014/03/30/autos/general-motors-recall-documents/index.html (http://money.cnn.com/2014/03/30/autos/general-motors-recall-documents/index.html)
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I have been preaching that for 50+ years. My key ring has always been limited to the car keys and a house key. I have 4 sets of keys one for each vehicle.
Can't claim 50 years, but I do agree limit weight of the key ring, I have always done that also, I too have multiple sets of keys fo both my cars........Just my opinion :)
Terry
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I have one of these for my house and work keys plus a thumb drive: http://getkeysmart.com
My car key and fob live on a separate key ring, and the Key Smart stays in my pocket. Can't stand all that extra stuff hanging down from my ignition!
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So is my 09 perfect?
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You can turn off your ignition off while driving and turn the key and it will start automatic anywayn
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If it rains really hard and drys really well I might look for the key. Assuming the salt is all washed away.
Clear skies!
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Check out the latest on this issue.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2014/04/10/gm-recall-more-problems-ignition-switch/7552763/
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Eh...
I think I'm going to wait some more on this one until GM gets their act together. Still haven't called a dealer about it.
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Well the above says they may have to reprogram the keys.
The reason they are now going to change the tumbler where you insert the key.
I think this will be a huge problem to those of us that have aftermarket tunes.
I hope the reprogramming does not involved resetting the ECM software.
I can tell you my car will not have this done if this is the case.
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GM suspended two engineers today with pay.
http://www.autoblog.com/2014/04/10/gm-engineers-paid-leave-pending-recall-investigation-video
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And on top of that, another recall for our cars announced today. Can anyone remove their keys without turning off the ignition?
http://www.autoblog.com/2014/04/10/gm-engineers-paid-leave-pending-recall-investigation-video
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Replacement parts for cars at the center of a massive General Motors recall for defective ignition switches began arriving at dealerships across this country just this week. If car owners have already gotten repairs made, they'll need to make an additional trip to their dealerships. On Thursday, General Motors said there's another safety problem plaguing the same vehicles.
The company is recalling 2.19 million of the same Chevrolet Cobalt, HHR, Saturn Ion, Sky, Pontiac G5 and Solstice models to fix a problem that allows keys to be removed from ignitions that are not in the "off" position.
In at least one case, a vehicle rolled away in a parking lot and resulted in a crash and injury, according to GM, which said it is aware of "several hundred" complaints about keys coming out of ignitions. The company will fix the ignition lock cylinders to prevent the problem.
This is a separate problem than the one allowing ignition switches in the same models to inadvertently move from the "run" to "accessory" positions, which can turn off both the engine and airbag systems. That defect has led to 13 deaths, and subsequently, Congressional inquiries into why the company didn't recall affected vehicles sooner.
Earlier Thursday, GM announced it has suspended two senior engineers – with pay – who oversaw changes in ignition-switch designs. Although the company did not name the two, Bloomberg News reported they were Ray DeGiorgio and Gary Altman.
During Congressional hearings last week, Sen. Claire McCaskill (D-MO) alleged that DeGiorgio had perjured himself while testifying in a lawsuit related to a crash caused by the faulty ignition switch, and expressed disbelief that he had not yet been fired.
"This is an interim step as we seek the truth about what happened," GM CEO Mary Barra said about the suspensions Thursday. "It was a difficult decision, but I believe it is best for GM."
Before removing the key from the ignition, GM says motorists should ensure their cars are in the "park" position or, in manual cars, have the emergency brake on until the cars are repaired. In the case of the ignition-switch recall, GM says drivers must remove all keys from their key rings until the cars are fixed.
While GM has maintained the cars are safe to operate in that instance, it has also said there's a heightened risk driving on rough roads and other potentially jarring conditions. A US District Court judge in Texas is weighing a request to ground the entire fleet of affected cars until repairs are made. Last Friday, she said she did not yet have enough information to make a decision.
GM announced the ignition-switch recall in February and has twice expanded it to include more vehicles. Overall, the company has issued six recalls in the past four weeks that affect 4,258,687 cars, including Thursday's recall.
The company revised financial figures and said it expects to spend $1.3 billion on recalls in the first quarter of 2013. That's up from previous estimates of $750 million.
"The extent, and cost of GM's ignition-switch recall has grown dramatically in the past few weeks," said Karl Brauer, a senior analyst with Kelley Blue Book. "Much of this stems from GM's desire to comprehensively address all aspect of the recall, though there's also growing concern over potentially deceptive or criminal behavior that could result in government fines."
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Well the above says they may have to reprogram the keys.
The reason they are now going to change the tumbler where you insert the key.
I think this will be a huge problem to those of us that have aftermarket tunes.
I hope the reprogramming does not involved resetting the ECM software.
I can tell you my car will not have this done if this is the case.
Thankfully I have a tune that has free re-tunes. So, if it does happen to overwrite it my tuner will reflash for free...and I have my original ECM to use while that takes place.
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You shouldn't have to reflash the ECM to program a key. You only have to get the car to recognize the chip in the key. It's very similar to programing the car to use a specific key fob. In fact the owners manual for your car tells you how to program a key if you have a key that is already programed to the car, you don't even need any tools just the two keys. A key fob requires a tech tool.
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And on top of that, another recall for our cars announced today. Can anyone remove their keys without turning off the ignition?
I'm almost positive I can. I did it by accident on my way back from Asheville when my car was acting goofy from a bad relay. I meant to test the theory last night, but didn't have time to get the car out before I went running.
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I think removing the key from ignition with the engine running is not possible without applying excessive force for my car. I'll try it when the car is off the lift and out of hibernation.
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I just went out and played with my ignition. I can't take the key out, but it is pretty damn easy to get the switch to go from on to accessory. I could see if I have a lot of weight on my key chain it would probably turn my car off. I can pretty much give it a few taps with my finger and get it to turn off. But it turns back in just as easily.
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I talked to a man on Friday that has an 07 .He has been waiting over 3 weeks to get it fixed and dealer told him part is back ordered .
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I would assume that if he's concerned about it that the dealer has put him in a loaner?
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I want a loaner too!
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I haven't even got my recall letter yet although I did see my car was on the list when I checked the VIN.
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According to a few dealerships including my local one they have not even shipped them out. The switches were not expected until late April and now thats set back since lock cylinders are to be replaced and changed with the switches.
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This recall is going to take awhile to get going because of the huge number that GM has to replace. I really not sure people grasp how large a number this recall encompasses . Your talking about alot of materials that need to be procured and shipped to dealers once they are made.
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Yeah, like MILLIONS! :gaah:
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What people need to remember is if it happens dont panic!!!!. You still have steering and you still have brakes keep a level head and you should be ok. Ive had two blowouts going 80 plus and kept my truck and a car under control during the blowout i just keep a level head. I push the envolpe though most of the time so im quick to respond usuall.
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Just turn the key back on if it happens.
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there you go again SA using common sense.
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there you go again SA using common sense.
Crap. The world *IS* ending!
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Crap. The world *IS* ending!
Yup. But it is one hell of a ride!
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I went through today and did some test on my 2007 Solstice.
1st I tried to pull the key out and it did not budge.
2nd I tried to simulate putting some weight on the key and it did NOT move at all.
At this point I am going to leave it alone and if I ever sell it then will have it done.
I am not sure why after having our cars for a lot of years with no ignition key problems, people are going to let a dealer take the whole ignition mechanism
out, get new keys and hope everything is done correctly, with the expectation it will work as good as the old one.
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The girlfriend has been making comments on the recall and how Jap cars are so much better. So as we were stopped at a light reached over and pulled down on her pepper spray dangling from her key chain. Sure enough it shut off with little effort to both our amazement. Though I asked when she will be contacting Subaru about her 2012 Forester's safety defect, the chiding from her has stopped.
I do like the like the light dedent in the ignition of the Sky and probably won't have it changed as I don't want to go into a Chevy dealership. ;)
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You can go to a Buick, Cadillac, or GMC dealership instead if you wish ...
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Turned in my Sol today, :slap:got a loaner until it is fixed(hopefully not more than two weeks). Going to see how many miles I can put on it :drive:
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As far as i know the dealerships do not have the parts yet and may not for awhile. I will talk to mine tomorrow to see when they might have parts or when they might get them.
Originally its was supposed to be later part of April first part of. May but that has changed.
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Just spoke to my dealer and now I'm on the list to get my Sky fixed, although I have not had any problems with my key falling out or the car turning off, better safe than sorry.
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Our Dealer, Superior Chevrolet does not have the parts yet but will notify us when they come in for the fix...Oh, wow, it seems like an eternity since Carol or I have driven "Miss Red Eagle" but our 2000 Lincoln Navigator is now our only source of transportation. :usa:
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The key effort to turn off the ignition on my CTS-V seems low too. I have no idea what kind of minimum required torque but it has never happened to me that it shut off by any accidental or unintentional means.
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According to http://www.gmignitionupdate.com
UPDATES
April 15, 2014: Parts are being delivered to dealers and vehicles are being repaired.
I've not read of a single car that has been repaired under this recall yet, nor of anyone receiving the 2nd recall letter. According to a previous chart posted in the site above, we all should have received our 2nd letter.
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I've only received one letter so far.
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Sounds like we shouldn't expect our letters for the second recall until after the 21st. Canada might be different although running my VIN on the Canadian site did show mine was recalled, not that I didn't already know that.
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Talked to my dealer on Sat since they are open and the Service Manager said parts for the Cobalts had come in but not for the Solstice or Sky but should be in this week or next week. I asked even now since the lock cylinders need replaced and hesaid yes.
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I haven't even received one recall letter yet but my parts were ordered last week
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Let's be honest here, has anyone here had an issue with their shutting down or the keys falling out?
I haven't so I am not going to get myself all worked up and/or park the car in fear something is going to happen.
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I haven't had an issue at all and I'm thinkin' I'm going to wait until I have issues before having it looked at. I'll keep an eye on it.
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Let's be honest here, has anyone here had an issue with their shutting down or the keys falling out?
I haven't so I am not going to get myself all worked up and/or park the car in fear something is going to happen.
I've done a bit of research on this. Of the 5 or so Facebook groups I am on, I found only 1 Solstice owner who posted a picture of a banged up Solstice and said his car shut off and he got into an accident because of it. Damaged looked to be cosmetic.
There was a post on the Sky forum from a member who said his car had shut off on him twice when going to work. He had a long communte, something like 40 miles, and he was going to take a loaner since his car had the issue.
Next I asked Mom's about this since she is an admin on the big boards also. She said she personally knew of one Kappa who had the issue. She did a quick search of the forums and didn't find much in the way of complaints about engines shutting off. I couldn't remember many either.
That makes only 3 that I am aware off.
So for whatever reason, I suspect this not the norm for our cars and is more prevalent in the Cobalts and Ions either because there are more of them, or there is something just a touch different about the installation in our cars (location, location of steering column, angle of install, etc).
That being said, what I have seen a lot of and have personally witnessed is the key becoming stuck and won't move. Either while the car is running or when the car is off. The key won't do anything. Won't come out, won't turn either direction, you can't wiggle the car, you can't wiggle the steering wheel...it refuses to move. I've seen complaints on the forums of this, on Facebook, and I've personally witnessed it in a friend's 2007 Sky. This has happened to 2007, 2008, and 2009 model year cars. I can't think of an 06 Solstice that has done this off hand. But for certain I know it has happened in 2007-2009 MY kappas.
Sooooo...Like Bob, I'm going to take the same approach. I'll either end up with a car that randomly turns off, or one that won't turn on or off!!
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That being said, what I have seen a lot of and have personally witnessed is the key becoming stuck and won't move. Either while the car is running or when the car is off. The key won't do anything. Won't come out, won't turn either direction, you can't wiggle the car, you can't wiggle the steering wheel...it refuses to move. I've seen complaints on the forums of this, on Facebook, and I've personally witnessed it in a friend's 2007 Sky. This has happened to 2007, 2008, and 2009 model year cars. I can't think of an 06 Solstice that has done this off hand. But for certain I know it has happened in 2007-2009 MY kappas.
How many of those were automatics, as autos have that interlock with the gear shift?
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For sure the 2007 Sky was an automatic. The guy lives in Decatur, IL. Let me do a little investigation on the others. Pretty sure at least one other I know of is a manual.
*edit - A quick search shows the 2009 is a manual. I know of another automatic off the top of my head. I'd have to dig deeper to see what some of the others are.
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Talked to my dealer on Sat since they are open and the Service Manager said parts for the Cobalts had come in but not for the Solstice or Sky but should be in this week or next week. I asked even now since the lock cylinders need replaced and hesaid yes.
I'm confused about your dealer saying "they've come in oft the Cobalts but not the Sol/Sky".....it's the same damn part.
If they have parts then they can do your car NOW!
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Dont know thats exactly what the Service mansger said when i talked to him on sat.
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Not all models get both the switch and lock cylinder.
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According to my dealer the 07 solstice get both AND they will need to order the keys. My parts except for the keys arevin and now they need to order the keys.
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POSN here are the torque specifications from each model year Cobalt. Seems like the older, more worn they are the softer and easier they are to turn.
On aside note the 12 Cobalt/G5 deaths were odd road and high speed events. With a mix of alcohol and unbelt passengers. Remember too that the Cobalt, like many cars of that price range, offered side airbags as an option. Regardless of airbags the site of some of those cars that were wrecked it isn't surprise no one was alive the cars are quite twisted.
http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2014/04/too-big-to-fail-too-confused-to-operate-analysis-of-619-pages-of-cobalt-engineering-documents-w-full-text/
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My Parts are all in Just got a call this afternoon. :-)
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I just got my second recall notice, I haven't checked with any of the dealers to see if they have the parts.
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I just got my second recall notice, I haven't checked with any of the dealers to see if they have the parts.
Same here, but will likely get it done in July, when NYS inspection is do.
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Got my second letter yesterday. Needed state inspection done today, while there the dealer got the paperwork rolling. Parts on order, could be a much as a month before they arrive. They are replacing the ignition switch, door and ignition lock cylinders and both keys.
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Got my 2nd letter today too. I was all excited thinking it was for the G6. Still waiting for that one.
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What year is the G6 again? I have an '09 Malibu I'm expecting a recall for. Has what I think is all the criteria. 2.4 with electric steering.
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My second notice arrived yesterday too! Now on to the dealership!
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What year is the G6 again? I have an '09 Malibu I'm expecting a recall for. Has what I think is all the criteria. 2.4 with electric steering.
Yeah for hydraulic PS on my G6 GXP.
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What year is the G6 again? I have an '09 Malibu I'm expecting a recall for. Has what I think is all the criteria. 2.4 with electric steering.
2008. I haven't checked the VIN, but I do have an oddball engine, so maybe it's not on the list?? They way I read it though, I was going to get an invite.
Well, maybe it's not not the list. Just entered the VIN on the GM website and it says no current recalls for that VIN!
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I double checked this. My G6 seems to fit all the criteria regarding build dates, etc listed in the recall notice. Maybe the VIN has not been updated yet in the recall system. GM now says they expect to start sending initial notices April 28th. I'll know next week!
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Do you have electric power steering on your G6? Like mine some had hydraulic and aren't part of the recall.
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Do you have electric power steering on your G6? Like mine some had hydraulic and aren't part of the recall.
I have no idea. I know almost nothing about my G6 because it's not happy fun car. I did try to investigate it online a little at lunch, but wasn't successful.
edit* According to Edmunds, it says the 2007+ GT's have hydraulic steering, so like you, I might miss this one. I'll dig a little more and pop the hood. If I don't see a hydraulic reservoir, then I'm in the clear!
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I received a second letter telling me the same thing and it's again for my 2007 Solstice. Says to wait for letter from dealer that they have the parts. WTF GM, I haven't received a letter for the 2009 Solstice
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Received my first letter today I've already talked to my local Chevy dealer and I'm on the list when they get parts in, still no problem with my key.
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For Canadian members that are wondering where their letters are...
http://media.gm.ca/media/ca/en/gm/news.detail.html/content/Pages/news/ca/en/2014/Apr/0423_Parts.html
People with 06s and 07s should have their letters next week.
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Went to get the parts installed and F'n Ass Holes used my parts on another Solstice on Fri. I was Pissed and told them i was leaving my car with them until the parts were in and to give me a loaner car and tell me when its done.
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I received my 2nd letter and went to the dealership on Friday. The service manager put my information into the computer and told me that the keys/fob would remain the same since the switch has to be programmed for my keys. I had asked him if he had to change the door locks and glove box and he said no. Same keys, only a reprogramming. He also told me that GM was paying them $35 to do the work. IMO that is really low. Seems the dealership will be paying for GM's mistake here.
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It is not the same keys!! They are none Pontiac generic keys. However according to someone that has had it already done, the new keys fit the doors. He never mentioned the glove box though.
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EarthNTX, you can see the parts that will be replaced in this GM graphic.
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Here's more info regarding the parts and their availability. (Includes videos.)
http://media.gm.ca/media/ca/en/gm/news.detail.html/content/Pages/news/ca/en/2014/Apr/0423_Parts.html
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I saved the picture. Thank you. This should prove to be very interesting. When I get it done, I'll let you know what they did and if they changed the keys.
I'm on edge enough leaving my car there and yes, I did request a loaner. I have no way of getting home and the dealership is far from me.
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Thanks for the link. The beginning of the article says......
OSHAWA – General Motors has shipped thousands of kits consisting of ignition switches, ignition cylinders and key sets for older model small cars subject to a safety recall.
I see KEYS here...what is going on? Does the dealership not know? grrrrr
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I'm going to talk to another dealer tomorrow morning about this and see what THEY have to say about what parts are being change.
Have a great night and thanks! :)
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Thanks for the link. The beginning of the article says......
OSHAWA – General Motors has shipped thousands of kits consisting of ignition switches, ignition cylinders and key sets for older model small cars subject to a safety recall.
I see KEYS here...what is going on? Does the dealership not know? grrrrr
My understanding is that your old keys will not fit into the new ignition cylinder as the warding is a bit narrower than the old keys, this is to ensure that you cannot use the old keys, which have a slot for the key ring. The new keys have a small hole for the key ring. The ignition tumblers will be matched to the tumblers in the doors and the glove box. Therefore, the new keys will work in the ignition, doors and glove box, while to old keys will only work in the doors and glove box.
If this doesn't match with what your dealer described, your dealer may be a bit misinformed as to the required repairs, as they probably haven't received the repair description which accompanies the new parts.
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Thanks for the info. I did hear somewhere about the hole being smaller in new keys but this dealer threw me off with what he said and he was the manager, hahaha.
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The original recall was just to change the ignition switch. The subsequent recall was to change the ignition cylinder and the keys on the car. If the dealer says they aren't replacing the key, they're just a little outdated in their knowledge.
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I just called Crews Chevrolet here in Charleston about getting the recall done. They said they are ordering parts only when customers call in and must order the parts against the VINs. Parts should be here in 3-4 weeks.
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This is what the "new" keys look like, courtesy of someone on FB:
(http://www.solsticeforum.com/forum/attachments/f11/30545d1398691975-recall-information-4-17-2014-recall-keys.jpg)
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I just called Crews Chevrolet here in Charleston about getting the recall done. They said they are ordering parts only when customers call in and must order the parts against the VINs. Parts should be here in 3-4 weeks.
So they are tracking the VIN's on this one. Interesting...
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So they are tracking the VIN's on this one. Interesting...
The corporate lawyers have gotten way involved in this one, one of the reasons (perhaps the only reason) for the new ignition cylinder and keys (so that the old "slotted" keys cannot be used in the ignition).
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Great! I think I'll talk to the dealer near me again to save me driving 80 miles to another one. I snipped your key picture to show him.
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I was in Laurel today on other business so I stopped by the dealer I got the car from (Buick GMC now) and they are ordering parts for me
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I just got the recall in the mail.
I did not realize 2008's were affected.
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I just got the recall in the mail.
I did not realize 2008's were affected.
Where have you been? Hiding in a tree?
All kappas recalled mentioned for at least 5 weeks now....GM is covering up shit faster than a cat in a catbox.
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They changed it and now it covers all years for the kappa.
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I hope they don't open the hood or test drive my car after they replace it.
Hell
I might not have them do it since I don't have anything on my keys.
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Is your car even done yet?
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It's darn close.
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Elff.
Please note that your 2008 and others have the good switch and tumbler unless you had the original replaced.
The reason for the entire Kappa years is because GM release some 90K bad switches to aftermarket and dealer stock.
However the 2008 to 2010 Kappa's build at the factory and purchased new by the present owner DO NOT HAVE THIS DEFECT.
Mine is a 2007 and I WILL NOT HAVE IT DONE, mine works perfect, so I am keeping my car with the Pontiac original keys, switch and tumbler.
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NOT having mine done either. I like the light turning action and only carry a house key on the key ring.
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Thinking about it and i might not have it done either. Have. Not had an issue in 5yrs.
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Kind of hard now since they have my car and waitingon parts.
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I just got the recall on my mine it says 2008-2010 Solstice Sky,Cobalt and HHR . What it looks like is they are not taking any chances on the rest of our Cars.
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Where have you been? Hiding in a tree?
All kappas recalled mentioned for at least 5 weeks now....GM is covering up shit faster than a cat in a catbox.
That's hilarious right there!!
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Where have you been? Hiding in a tree?
All kappas recalled mentioned for at least 5 weeks now....GM is covering up shit faster than a cat in a catbox.
That's hilarious right there!!
Agreed! Too funny! :)
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Interestingly, I still haven't received any notification of a recall on my GM for my 2009....
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Yeah me neither...
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Just got my "your 08 was recalled but we got no damn parts" letter today.
Seems they ain't coming out fast :)
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Interestingly, I still haven't received any notification of a recall on my GM for my 2009....
I've owned my 2009 Sky now for 6 months and thought that maybe the DMV records weren't up to date or something because I didn't receive any notification either.....until yesterday.
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Clearly GM has a different time line for repairs in Canada.
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Clearly GM has a different time line for repairs in Canada.
Yeah it's like whenever we get around to it...
My understanding is that the letters went out last week.
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It probably didn't get the PR buzz in Canada as it did here in the states so GM is taking their time.
Have any of the European owners gotten any kind of letter yet, Kelu, Arabus, Ironhide?
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Letters??? Me??? You forgot that the picture sent by elff was returned in US :(
I bought my car from Germany, I don't think they care about me. In Romania they don't keep track about me if I didn't buy the car from them. I might stop to a dealership and ask if you want.
I bet they will don't know what an Opel GT is, they will ask: "You mean GTC, right?" which is a trim level for astra :)
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Are you still in Belgium?
Wasn't the problem with the pictures Elff sent due to no one being home at the address he sent it to?
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I'm still in Belgium, the car is in Romania, Elff sent the picture at romanian address and almost nobody was there and I missed the date when it was supposed to arrive :(
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Today, I received a 3rd letter, explaining the parts were getting manufactured and they were behind and it also stated what parts were going to be installed and yes, the keys were mentioned. :)
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Just got my "your 08 was recalled but we got no damn parts" letter today.
Seems they ain't coming out fast :)
Me too (mine is '08). Why send me a letter if you don't have the damn parts?
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Got a letter from GM regarding the recall for my '8 GXP
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Yeah, me2
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received the recalls for the 09 Solstice and my son's 08 Solstice on Thursday
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Received a letter stating that GM has done extensive testing over numerous road conditions and speeds even high speed and there conclusion is that if the key only is used the key does not move out of the run position. Says it might take months for parts but also mentions the ignition cylinder defect where it may be possible to remove the key while the engine is running and what to do to get your vehicle fixed Asap.
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I also got the same letter today.
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After reading all the posts, and, yes, I've gotten two letters from GM, I think I'm gonna hold off. My keychain has two housekeys, my Solstice key, Scion key, the Solstice remote, my Colt Python screwdriver/medallion, and my public library, supermarket, and prescription swipe mini cards. I tried to duplicate a scenario where the ignition would "accidentally" turn off............NOTHING - couldn't duplicate the scenario where it would happen. So, for now, my opinion is 'it's not broken, so don't fix it'.
I would have a major problem if my Westers tune was erased by the former Pontiac Dealer, now Buick/GMC. These would be the same owners, whose used car lot sold my wife her Mini Cooper, then an expensive maintenance agreement, then totally screwed up a brake job which had to be fixed by MINI for 600 bucks.
Thanks for the opportunity to rant.
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Received my notice today. I wish my rear diff leak was recalled.
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Where is it leaking from vent tube?
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GM to pay $35 million over delayed recall...CnnMoney May 16th, 2014:12:25 PM ET
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GM press release
http://www.gm.com/article.content_pages_news_us_en_2014_may_0516-consent.html
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GM might hsve to expand what brands need fixing. My wife just told me that her brother who has an older Buick Lascerne, has been experiencing his engine shutting off for no reason while driving. I don't know what year or engine he has. Haven't got to talk to him yet. But he took it to a garage and there no codes being thrown. which lead me to believe that it could be ignition switch.
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Where is it leaking from vent tube?
I have not been under the car yet but from what I can see it is all over the drivers side of the Diff. I have an appointment next Saturday for recall and look at diff.
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NEWS FLASH...CNN just announced on television today 05-22-2014 "GM Recalls more cars than sold in 5 Years"! This is going to take a long time for potential buyers to flock back to GM. Yes, indeed it will be a struggle right now for momentum to favor GM and the national attention that is negative certainly does not help...and if I was in the market for a new vehicle I would think twice before signing on the dotted line with all that has happened. This deal is not going away! :usa:
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It was not just GM TOYOTA also made a big recall also.
Actually if GM improves the quality of their vehicles through this measures that is now taking, you the customer would actually have a much better experience with your new GM vehicle.
I concur LatinVenom! Miss Red Eagle had hers done yesterday at Superior Chevrolet. Driving her home I actually heard her whisper in my ear that she is glad that it was done! She does indeed have a free spirit and is again flying unrestricted! :brnout: :woohoo: :us2:
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So how many people have had this recall complied with?
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not yet
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Negative here.
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Called about it, no appointment until parts arrive. So not yet!
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I concur LatinVenom! Miss Red Eagle had hers done yesterday at Superior Chevrolet. Driving her home I actually heard her whisper in my ear that she is glad that it was done! She does indeed have a free spirit and is again flying unrestricted! :brnout: :woohoo: :us2:
The work took longer :pop: than I anticipated that it would! After seeing the Eagle enter the shop for the recall, it took a bit over two hours to complete the job so when you take yours in be prepared like a boy scout and have some snacks ready to eat for energy. The drive home was sweet indeed! :drool:
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I had it done about two weeks ago, along with a lube, oil, filter change. Total time was about 1.75 hours, but I had a loaner for the day, so it wasn't a time waster. Every thing works just like it should.
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I thought I was going to have mine done last Saturday, but when I go to the dealer they said they were sorry but the parts they had were not for my Sky, so I'm still on the list. Did get my service done so I ready for the drive to nationals next Tuesday and Wednesday, see you all there. :yay: :yay: :yay:
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DaveOC,
I need to know what the lock cylinder part number is. My Dad's car had that replaced on his own dime. I want to compare the parts. Can you post the work order?
Thanks
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Scheduled and loaner car for service then i told them i needed my car back and not going to get it done.
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Not done yet, parts on order. Maybe in a week or two.
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So how many people have had this recall complied with?
Um... I think mine is done or not.
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Um... I think mine is done or not.
Maybe we should just ask the new owner then.
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I'm having doubts. My ignition cylinder/tumbler operates just fine, so there is no reason for me; plus I don't want the non-descript keys.
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Yeah I hear you, my dealership has been the source of all damage my car has ever suffered. Well them and their bodyshop.
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DaveOC,
I need to know what the lock cylinder part number is. My Dad's car had that replaced on his own dime. I want to compare the parts. Can you post the work order?
Thanks
I'd like to help you out, but that is the one part that is not listed by part number on my work order/billing.
There is a place on the work order for the part number but there is nothing entered there.
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Thanks.
a guy posted a link on FB which list the parts.
Report Receipt Date: FEB 10, 2014
NHTSA Campaign Number: 14V047000
Component(s): AIR BAGS , ELECTRICAL SYSTEM
Potential Number of Units Affected: 2,190,934
All Products Associated with this Recall close
Vehicle Make Model Model Year(s)
CHEVROLET COBALT 2005-2010
CHEVROLET HHR 2006-2011
PONTIAC G5 2007-2010
PONTIAC SOLSTICE 2006-2010
SATURN ION 2003-2007
SATURN SKY 2007-2010
Details close
28 Associated Documents expand
Manufacturer: General Motors LLC
SUMMARY:
This defect can affect the safe operation of the airbag system. Until this recall is performed, customers should remove all items from their key rings, leaving only the ignition key. The key fob (if applicable), should also be removed from the key ring. General Motors LLC (GM) notified the agency on February 10, 2014 that they are recalling 619,122 model year 2005-2007 Chevrolet Cobalt, and 2007 Pontiac G5 vehicles. On February 25, 2014, GM increased the recall to include an additional 748,024 model year 2006-2007 Chevrolet HHR and Pontiac Solstice vehicles and 2003-2007 Saturn Ion vehicles and 2007 Saturn Sky vehicles. In these models, the weight on the key ring and/or road conditions or some other jarring event may cause the ignition switch to move out of the run position, turning off the engine. On March 27, 2014, GM notified the agency that the defective ignition switches may have been used as service replacement parts on other vehicles, and as a result GM will be recalling certain model year 2008-2010 Chevrolet Cobalt, Saturn Sky, and Pontiac G5 and Solstice, and 2008-2011 Chevrolet HHR vehicles. The part numbers for the service parts are 10392423 (a/k/a ACDelco D1461F), 10392737, 15857948, 15854953, 15896640, and 25846762. This expansion represents an additional 823,788 vehicles.
CONSEQUENCE:
If the key is not in the run position, the air bags may not deploy if the vehicle is involved in a crash, increasing the risk of injury.
REMEDY:
GM will notify owners, and dealers will replace the ignition switch, free of charge. An interim notification was issued to owners of 2007 and earlier models on March 10, 2014, informing them of the safety defect. Owners of 2008 and later vehicles will be mailed an interim letter on April 21, 2014. All affected owners will receive another letter once parts are available. The recall began on April 18, 2014. Owners may contact Chevrolet at 1-800-222-1020, Pontiac at 1-800-762-2737 or Saturn at 1-800-553-6000. GM's number for the initial recall is 13454 and 14063 for the expansion. GM’s recall number for the vehicles that may have received the replacement parts is 14092. Note: Until the recall repairs have been performed, it is very important that customers remove all items from their key rings, leaving only the vehicle key. The key fob (if applicable), should also be removed from the key ring. Always wear your seatbelt.
NOTES:
Owners may also contact the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration Vehicle Safety Hotline at 1-888-327-4236 (TTY 1-800-424-9153), or go to www.safercar.gov (http://www.safercar.gov).
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The part numbers for the service parts are 10392423 (a/k/a ACDelco D1461F), 10392737, 15857948, 15854953, 15896640, and 25846762.
The part number for the ignition switch on my work order was 23240429 which isn't on the above list. The last 5 part number above are all ignition housing kits. No keys are listed.
:idk: :idk: :idk: :idk: :idk:
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The joke here is that I got two recall letters total. I went to the dealer and he took my information down etc and said he didn't have the parts yet and he would call me when they came in. They still don't have the parts and the other day, I received another notice from GM telling me that I haven't brought my car in yet for this recall. Well, duh!
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The joke here is that I got two recall letters total. I went to the dealer and he took my information down etc and said he didn't have the parts yet and he would call me when they came in. They still don't have the parts and the other day, I received another notice from GM telling me that I haven't brought my car in yet for this recall. Well, duh!
I got that same notice two weeks after having the recall done.
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The joke here is that I got two recall letters total. I went to the dealer and he took my information down etc and said he didn't have the parts yet and he would call me when they came in. They still don't have the parts and the other day, I received another notice from GM telling me that I haven't brought my car in yet for this recall. Well, duh!
Same here. I scheduled the service in April. Still waiting for the parts. Called this week and was told I am in the system and they will call me when the parts get in, but as of yet no parts. But GM keeps sending me letters saying "GET THIS DONE!"
I'm not looking forward to the "generalized" keys either. You'd think they could stop sending redundant mailings to people that have already signed up or had the work done, and use the saved money in postage to spring for Pontiac keys for us. Although in future I guess that will be an easy way to tell if someone had the recall done or not, by whether or not they still have a Poncho key.
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What kills me is that the dealer said I could leave my car there. Well? That's almost two months ago if not more and no way in hell am I going to leave my car there, gathering dust and filth and that. I think I'll visit them next week, face to face and see what gives. This is ridiculous really.
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I wonder if my Cadillac CTS-V would eventually be recalled.
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The joke here is that I got two recall letters total. I went to the dealer and he took my information down etc and said he didn't have the parts yet and he would call me when they came in. They still don't have the parts ....
joke ? not funny at all... My coupe is going to miss Nassm 2014 because the key
will not turn the car off.
http://www.solsticeforum.com/forum/f11/anybody-know-really-why-so-long-ignition-parts-94178/
http://www.solsticeforum.com/forum/f12/ignition-switch-stuck-93810/
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...the dealer said I could leave my car there. Well? That's almost two months ago if not more and no way in hell am I going to leave my car there...
Yeah - both of my cars are in my driveway. I did get the free loaner car however from the dealer/Enterprise...
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Tuesday, June 17, 2014 General Motors bruised again...recalls yet another 3.16 million cars for faulty ignition, and the cars being recalled are: Buick Lacrosse 2005-09, Chevrolet Impala: 2006-14, Cadillac Deville: 2000-05, Cadillac DTS: 2014-11, Buick Lucerne: 2006-11, Buick Regal LS and G5, :2014-05 and Chevy Monte Carlo: 2006-08
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Well, it seems that today this problem is not just GM's, but it could be the entire industry.
The thing to do as I have mentioned before is test your ignition.
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Mine been work fine for 104k & almost 7 yrs. I decided not to have the recall done.
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Mine been work fine for 104k & almost 7 yrs. I decided not to have the recall done.
Not willing to take that chance since I read the story of a woman w/07 GXP who crashed and suffered a leg amputation couple years ago. She is now suing GM since the recall info came out. She lost power, crashed and had no airbags deployed.
Dealer told me mid-May, but now says still waiting. I do drive it a little, but have removed the key fob. If I get in an accident I will have complied with GMs warnings (not that I want that to happen) and not leave them a legal loophole.
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Not willing to take that chance since I read the story of a woman w/07 GXP who crashed and suffered a leg amputation couple years ago. She is now suing GM since the recall info came out. She lost power, crashed and had no airbags deployed.
These tales puzzle me. If your car stalls while driving you'll still have power steering and brakes (for a while) so why did she crash? If she crashed by her own (or other's) mistake, how would the airbags have saved her leg?
Just seems to be a lot of bandwagon-jumping going on with the stories.
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These tales puzzle me. If your car stalls while driving you'll still have power steering and brakes (for a while) so why did she crash? If she crashed by her own (or other's) mistake, how would the airbags have saved her leg?
Just seems to be a lot of bandwagon-jumping going on with the stories.
This particular case troubles me too. However, a lot of people will sue, just on the off chance that the manufacturer will pay them some money just to go away, regardless of whether there is any potential liability or not.
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There is also the latest information to come out of the hearings where GM is still advising customers as follows.
Once the change of the ignition parts are done you need to just have the key and or key and fob nothing else.
So although you have gone through all this trouble of having new parts the advise is still the same as if you had the old parts.
I have tested mine (2007 GXP) and it works fine and has been working for almost 8 years.
I just talked to someone that has a 2006 NA and in his case he can very easy turn it off.
Now although that is the case, he has never experience the car turning off because the ignition issue.
However once the test was done and the result was in the negative, the parts have been order and waiting on the new ones.
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does anyone know what GM is going to do about the door lock? My letter says they will replace 2 keys, program for 2 keys, replace ign lock cylinder and switch. So what if you want to key unlock door? Also I read on here they are using generic keys. I've never had a problem with mine and tried turning it off and found it about the same as any other car I've drove. I'm not doing the recall. I believe for the most part, just like the Toyota story a few years ago people ne to be more responsible and learn how to drive and operate a vehicle.
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They re-key to match your current key pattern. So the new keys will work in the old door locks. Don't panic!!! :cool:
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I told him that I have had problems with my ignition so they gave me a loaner, within eight days my car was fixed. The bottom line is they don't want to have to pay out for you to have a car while they put your car in the back lot and let it sit until they get around to it this was back in April. Another one of our forum members hasn't had his car looked at yet because he told him that he wasn't having any problems.
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RichSol, did you see the car that women was in that's suing GM for loss of her legs? The car hit the tree side ways and the air bags didn't deploy. There was no front end damage to the car. The air bags aren't supposed to deploy! Why, as you are thrown against the door, would you want the air bag in your face?
It's awful what happened to that poor woman but it just sounds like a stupid lawyer jumping on the bandwagon to me. Here's a link to the article and video.
http://www.ktre.com/story/25204332/lufkin-native-who-lost-legs-in-accident-near-livingston-suing-gm-over-faulty-ignition-switch
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Just got the call from my dealer today that my parts are in to do the recall. I scheduled it for this Saturday. My whole interior is torn apart because of all the mods I'm trying to do. Guess I'll put it back together somewhat before I take it over there.
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I got that call this morning too. He said your switch and key are in. I said, you mean switch, lock and 2 keys?
What's wrong with them? hahaha..anyway, I'll bring it in next week. I was told..we are small, so no loaner car. Um..I need a car!
Anyway, I'll be glad when this is over and done with..until the next one, right? :P
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Actually they have to provide you with some sort of transportation at least one i received.
Its actually in one of the notices you received .
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Its kind of worded vaguely but it does say something about substitute transportation. A shuttle ride to and from work would be substitute but once they figured out that would be alot of trouble they gave a loaner. After a week i told them i needed the car and never got it done and I'm not going to get it done since no issue exist with my vehicle.
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RichSol, did you see the car that women was in that's suing GM for loss of her legs? The car hit the tree side ways and the air bags didn't deploy. There was no front end damage to the car. The air bags aren't supposed to deploy! Why, as you are thrown against the door, would you want the air bag in your face?
It's awful what happened to that poor woman but it just sounds like a stupid lawyer jumping on the bandwagon to me. Here's a link to the article and video.
http://www.ktre.com/story/25204332/lufkin-native-who-lost-legs-in-accident-near-livingston-suing-gm-over-faulty-ignition-switch
Unfortunately, I have to agree. It's a side impact and we don't have side airbags, would the airbags have even done anything to help her in this case?
And how did she end up in a tree? As was stated, you can still steer the car and you still have some brakes. Unless the key locks up, why not turn the car back on?
Anyway, I've been thinking about this, a situation where you could get into trouble would be in heavy traffic where there is a sudden stop. Then the car may be sluggish and wouldn't have enough time to stop.
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Anyway, I've been thinking about this, a situation where you could get into trouble would be in heavy traffic where there is a sudden stop. Then the car may be sluggish and wouldn't have enough time to stop.
My understanding from what I heard and read was, that you lose power, airbags, and steering (I assume from power steering) but if you can't turn that would mean that the key disengages and the steering lock engages which would mean that you cannot steer at all. I mean if loss of power is all you should be able to steer the car, albeit it would be hard. Am I correct with this ASSumption? You all know when you assume.....
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It's not a great situation. But all you need to do is turn the key back on. The problem is, before this became widespread, and for many they still don't know, it might not be obvious what went wrong. In the 3-5 seconds of surprise at a suddenly dead car a lot can happen.
Imagine it happens suddenly on the Dragon. Bye bye. Plenty if real world situations where it's no big deal. Straight road in Iowa somewhere, no one around, turn the car back on and go. But, a packed cloverleaf at 65 MPH? Trouble.
To no one in particular-
Get your car fixed or don't. Your choice. If you don't get it fixed and then you crash in to me as a result of neglecting your responsibility to repair your car as directed, I'll sue you for everything you have and more. If we are still alive.
Have a nice day.
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Good Answer GJ!
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RichSol, did you see the car that women was in that's suing GM for loss of her legs? The car hit the tree side ways and the air bags didn't deploy. There was no front end damage to the car. The air bags aren't supposed to deploy! Why, as you are thrown against the door, would you want the air bag in your face?
It's awful what happened to that poor woman but it just sounds like a stupid lawyer jumping on the bandwagon to me. Here's a link to the article and video.
http://www.ktre.com/story/25204332/lufkin-native-who-lost-legs-in-accident-near-livingston-suing-gm-over-faulty-ignition-switch
Yes, that's the story I was referring to. She lost power and didn't know what to do, I suppose. This happened before the recall. Good point about the side impact. Nevertheless, I think she probably has a case. I'm not a torts lawyer, but am in the "stupid" club. We aren't all weasels.
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Oh I forgot to mention. I got a call today. My parts are in and will be installed tomorrow. :drool:
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So..my car's at the dealer. It's been there for 3 hours. I think I'll call them and see what's up. I live in a small town. I hope they're 'modern' enough to know what to do with our kappas. :O
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I got a call on Friday and a notice today that my parts are in.
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The ignition/keys are done. Those new keys sure fit tight. So, that is that. Only took them 4 hours, hahaha... My baby's back in MY garage where she belongs. :)
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Tuesday, 07-01-2014...GM recalls 7.55 million more cars...headline USA TODAY.
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crazy question that cameup with a buddy of mine.
Is there a difference in the NEW uncut key vs an OLD UNCUT orginal style keys with Pontiac arrow logo? If not a person could just go on Ebay purchase the old style uncut keys and have the Dealer program those keys instead of the Generic New keys without logo.
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That's one way to do it.
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crazy question that cameup with a buddy of mine.
Is there a difference in the NEW uncut key vs an OLD UNCUT orginal style keys with Pontiac arrow logo? If not a person could just go on Ebay purchase the old style uncut keys and have the Dealer program those keys instead of the Generic New keys without logo.
Yes. The new key only uses a small hole to help prevent an external force from switching the key out of the Run position. The old key is slotted. This is why the dealers are supposed to take the old keys from you when the recall is performed. You are not supposed to use a slotted key anymore and I'm sure it's a liability issue for GM.
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Also it's my understanding that the new key is thinner than the old. Which means the old won't fit in the new tumbler.
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Also it's my understanding that the new key is thinner than the old. Which means the old won't fit in the new tumbler.
I'm pretty sure this is just a rumor, as my old keys will still slide into the new cylinder/tumbler.
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That's good to know.
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So now they recalled my car, but they still don't have any spare parts here in Germany.
I'm still wondering about the recall, because I've never had any problems with the ignition. :idk:
Additionally I have a bunch of keys hanging down from my key while I'm driving. :devil:
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Really? I'm interesting if Opel dealership will recall mine :lol: actually I was thinking to make a visit to an Opel dealership asking about this but I consider it just a waste of time.
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Yes. The new key only uses a small hole to help prevent an external force from switching the key out of the Run position. The old key is slotted. This is why the dealers are supposed to take the old keys from you when the recall is performed. You are not supposed to use a slotted key anymore and I'm sure it's a liability issue for GM.
one other thing ... once you get the new ignition and keys ... don't try to start your car with the old keys ... you can't use them ... and then when you go to start your car with the new keys you find that you will have to do a security relearn ... don't ask me how I know :banghead:
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How do you know? Never did see your new wheels.
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here you go .... http://www.voxxwheel.com/eng/wheels/gfx-wheels-by-voxx/g20-2/
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The dealer kept my old keys. :idk:
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Finally got the call yesterday will be taking it in 2 weeks dealer said it would take between an hour and an hour and a half asked if I wanted a loaner car and I told them no thanks I'll wait I have read too many stories of dealer techs taking cars out for a "test drive" and end up trashing the cars
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Got mine done yesterday. The dealer was close enough to home that I could have the courtesy driver take me home and then pick me up later in the day. The new keys are tight and it will be a little while until they are worn in I guess. Like any other time you get a new key made for a car.
I did take the tech who was identified as the "guy who knows Skys really well" (ex Saturn tech) for a short drive to pick his brain about my turbo problem. I'll update the other thread with that.
First time I've been in a dealer for a couple years. They were pretty businesslike about the recall and that was that.
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here you go .... http://www.voxxwheel.com/eng/wheels/gfx-wheels-by-voxx/g20-2/
Very nice indeed.
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Now my Cadillac CTS-V is part of the ignition switch recall.
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I got a recall notice on Saturday for my G6 about some electrical connector issue and the "service brake." It's another FYI there's a recall but we don't have any parts to fix it have a nice day kind of thing.
Anyone else with a G6, I know there are a few here, get something like that?
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one other thing ... once you get the new ignition and keys ... don't try to start your car with the old keys ... you can't use them ... and then when you go to start your car with the new keys you find that you will have to do a security relearn ... don't ask me how I know :banghead:
Interesting. The dealer told me that the old keys would still work. I guess I'll find out for myself on the 29th.
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From everything I have read including posts by people who have had the recall done the old keys will still work the difference is the new keys have a round opening for the keychain and do not have the Pontiac Arrowhead emblem embossed on them I'm planning to keep my old set but not use them as I can see a liability issue down the road if something happens .
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I tried to use my old key ... it would not start the car ... then when I inserted the new key to start the car I got the little icon that meant I needed to do a security relearn ... maybe I'm the only one this happened to ... just wanted to pass along what happened to me.
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I received my call today that they have my part ready. :)
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Really? I'm interesting if Opel dealership will recall mine :lol: actually I was thinking to make a visit to an Opel dealership asking about this but I consider it just a waste of time.
Got a long letter with warnings and some advice. :banghead:
By the way my dealer still did't get the spare parts. :gaah:
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Got my new ignition switch installed today. They kept one old key, I tried the spare old key in the ignition. The first time I inserted it the security logo came on and it wouldn't start. Tried the new key and it fired right up. Tried the old key again and it worked! Strange. Just a side note. The new keys dont have the Pontiac Arrowhead in the key base. Glad I got to keep at least one.
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Got my new ignition switch installed today. They kept one old key, I tried the spare old key in the ignition. The first time I inserted it the security logo came on and it wouldn't start. Tried the new key and it fired right up. Tried the old key again and it worked! Strange. Just a side note. The new keys dont have the Pontiac Arrowhead in the key base. Glad I got to keep at least one.
So what happened here is that they reprogrammed the car to recognize the new keys and deleted the old keys. That's why it wouldn't start with the old key. If you read the owners manual it tells you how to program the car to accept a new key. Basically you start the car with a programed key turn it off and then use the new key within a time limit. The security light comes on and goes off during this and new key is then programed to the car. Sounds like if you reverse the order of things it still works.
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Did they give you two new keys since you only gave them one old key?
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Did they give you two new keys since you only gave them one old key?
My car goes in this afternoon. When I talked to the service person and told him I only had one key, he said no problem now you will get two keys.
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If you happened to save one of your original keys you CAN reprogram it to start your car. A buddy of mine had his done today and kept one of his keys . Programmed it as specified i the owners manual and his old key works as well as the two new keys.
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Work was done...key looks like Sh#%, but the car is done! :drive: :thumbs:
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If you happened to save one of your original keys you CAN reprogram it to start your car. A buddy of mine had his done today and kept one of his keys . Programmed it as specified i the owners manual and his old key works as well as the two new keys.
I thought when the tumbler was replaced, the key was cut differently.
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Nope same cut
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Keep the key as a souvenir or keep sake, do not use it to drive.
If you have an accident while using the old key....... well you will know what a good lawyer can do to you.
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The damn key is not goint to do jack.
There was not a problem with my car but did not want to do it because of the keys being generic. Well problem solved since my buddy had his done and what do you know the same cut just new keys and cylinder switch. Talked to the Service manager about purchasing the old style keys and getting them cut since I perfer the Pontiac Arrow Logo vs the Generic and he said no problem. Took my car in this morning and just picked it up and what do you know same damn cut as the old keys and programed the old key to start the car.
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95% of the stuff we eat on a daily basis is killing us but do we care and are we suing the food processing companies and the agriculture companies.
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Well, this is a new piece of information.
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Keep the key as a souvenir or keep sake, do not use it to drive.
If you have an accident while using the old key....... well you will know what a good lawyer can do to you.
Even a bad lawyer can establish reasonable doubt that I ever got notice from GM that there was a recall. Did anyone have to sign for the postman before they got their recall letter? Did GM demand all the old keys back? All of this can put the blame right back on GM and guess what GM has deeper pockets than any of us so who really is more likely to get sued?
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Then why do the recall?.
The keys are part of the issue if weighted down, because of the designed.
You want to keep the old keys find, you have a choice, do not do the recall or do it and keep the key(s) as a souvenir.
Do not plead stupid it does not work.
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Do not plead stupid it does not work.
Actually it does work, ever see a safety warning on a product? Everyone of those warnings is because some fool tried to do something stupid with a product and then sued a manufacturer when they got hurt. Most of the time they won the court case and the rest of us get to see a new warning.
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Well, this is a new piece of information.
No, it isn't. Just read the previous page of this thread.
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Finally got the call yesterday will be taking it in 2 weeks dealer said it would take between an hour and an hour and a half asked if I wanted a loaner car and I told them no thanks I'll wait I have read too many stories of dealer techs taking cars out for a "test drive" and end up trashing the cars
When they had my car they only offered a ride home, BTW, they didn't take my car out for a joy ride. Unless they disengaged the odometer! Or maybe they ran it in reverse and back the miles off....yeah That's the ticket!
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With all the comments about old key new key what is the difference, if someone put their key on a key-chain with 10 lbs. of keys and do-dads on it, the tumbler will still fail over time. I mean I know what their thought process was, engineers being what they are, looking at everything a certain way. (not always a bad thing) I mean people will do what they want no matter what logic or commonsense dictates what they are supposed to do.
I don't like the new key, but my car is still the same and I drive my car not the key, and I bought the car because of the car not the keys!
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Where have you been? Hiding in a tree?
All kappas recalled mentioned for at least 5 weeks now....GM is covering up shit faster than a cat in a catbox.
Moms Sol...please indeed forgive me for bringing back your post above but it really hit my funny bone :woohoo: and I could not stop laughing...you see Carol and I have always owned cats even though more dogs than cats.
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Just dont offer any additional info simple. They have no idea if you have both keys or not. Keep one buy one off ebay for $15 have it cut either by the dealer or if they wont take it to a locksmith shop they will cut it for you.
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I checked a locksmith just incase the dealer did not want to or was going to cost me $10 . Locksmith shop $1 a key to cut then program per owners manual.
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All 5 of my keys work. :).....
1 Original 2 warranty 2 new ebay keys programed per owners manual.
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GM is just basically trying to cover all bases and even with the lock cylinder and key issue which they could not duplicate. With that said whats hurting GM is they knew it COULD POSSIBLY FAIL but LOOKS LIKE THEY COVERED IT UP. The keys and lock cylinder were never really designed to hold 10+ keys but like everything else people rightly or wrongly put everything because of ease. Thats why to cover there AZZ there saying NONE NOT EVEN THE KEY FOB to ELIMINATE ANY POSSIBILITY THAT MIGHT ARISE even with the redesigned keys and cylinder.
I can honestly say my vehicle did not have a problem because the NEW cylinder requirers about the same pressure to shut off the vehicle as my old one. I got mine changed because after 5yrs of daily use my lock cylinder was probably getting worn. Also I have serveral keys on my keyring so that was not helping matters. So if its free and I can get new keys and purchase new keys with the old Arrow logo why not. Any vehicle can have this problem and as we have keys for everything under the sun it will put pressure on any manufacturer lock and cylinder because of all the weight.
Its up to you what you and what your comfortable with im just here to tell you how I went about it to get what I wanted for me. As I said before dont offer any additional info and if they ask tell them a vehicle that is not covered under the warranty. If your not comfortable with omitting info then just go get them cut at a Locksmith shop and program them. In the end whatever you choose to do your car wont drive any different so its up to you.
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Had the recall done today took all of a 1/2 hour ( I got the "experienced tech") they told me I had to turn in at least one key per GM which is what I did told them I was keeping the other one as a souvenir because it had the Pontiac logo on it and the new ones don't all in all not a bad experience
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So IHawk has to remove her brass knuckles? ;)
http://www.manufacturing.net/news/2014/07/gm-delayed-another-recall?et_cid=4057420&et_rid=481578465&location=top
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By the time there are 50 keys and a set of brass knuckles, it doesnt matter which company manufactured the key cylinder.
This kind of ignorance baffles me.