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Kappa Specific => Joe's Garage => Interior/Exterior Mods => Topic started by: GXPsy Rose on January 04, 2009, 12:30:46 PM
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When I purchased GXPsy Rose's big sister Saphira, she came with an auto dimming, onStar, microphone/ phone, compass/temp but no reading lights aka GENTEX GENK26A model.
I want an rearview mirror similiar to Saphira's but also with the reading lights. Has anyone found one? or has someone rigged up another way to do internal lights to in their sol so they can still use the auto dimming, onStar, microphone/phone, compass/temp.
I've done internet searches perhaps someone spotted one that I missed
Thanks in advance
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When I purchased GXPsy Rose's big sister Saphira, she came with an auto dimming, onStar, microphone/ phone, compass/temp but no reading lights aka GENTEX GENK26A model.
I want an rearview mirror similiar to Saphira's but also with the reading lights. Has anyone found one? or has someone rigged up another way to do internal lights to in their sol so they can still use the auto dimming, onStar, microphone/phone, compass/temp.
I've done internet searches perhaps someone spotted one that I missed
Thanks in advance
I know my dealer will swap out the mirror that came on my Sol and put in any of the other mirrors he and his sub-contractor use on GM cars he handles. At this time, I would suggest that you might want to contact your dealer.
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GenX30 or 31 check with Joe, he has done both
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Critterman, unfortunately those don't have the OnStar buttons.
You can get the GENK-30/31 and relocate your OnStar controls, or you can get a GM one like the one in your new truck and add interior lights to your windshield header. Either way will require a little custom work, but not too much.
I went a little overboard with my '06 because I was too cheap to buy a GENTEX mirror. Heres' a crusty old thread from "another" forum about that: http://www.solsticeforum.com/forum/f12/2kwk4us-rearview-mirror-mod-9357/
I'll probably do something similar for my GXP, but now I'll have OnStar to contend with, too. It'll be sometime in the summer/fall before I can get around to it, though...
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I have been told the mirror from the HHR SS has Auto-dimming, map lights On Star, and temp and compass, I have not verified this, I know how to make the auto-dimming work, mine has auto-dimming OnStar and map lights, no temp or compass from an '07 Monte Carlo SS. You don't need the mic and speaker they are built into the car, mic is driver side A pillar the 3 little slots up near the top, and the OnStar uses the stereo speakers in our cars. Good luck
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I have been told the mirror from the HHR SS has Auto-dimming, map lights On Star, and temp and compass, I have not verified this...
Man, I hope you're right! That means all I'd have to add is the jacks for my V1.
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you just made my day, lil! Look closely at the picture below and you can see the sensor for auto dimming, the display area for compass and/or temp (hopefully both) AND little switches for maplights!!
(http://presson.smugmug.com/photos/449117655_7KAFe-O.jpg)
(http://presson.smugmug.com/photos/449117682_aaPPb-O-3.jpg)
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Glad I could help, some one else discovered it and wrote me asking how to wire it, I actually don't remember who and deleted the PM. Not sure how hard it will be to hook up the temp sensor, easy I would think. The autodimming is 1 wire from 13 to 14 or 14 to 13 I don't remember, they are side by side, you are just jumping 12V wire is about 1/2 " long at most.
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I did a little more digging the other day when I posted that. It seems the HHR SS mirror has a compass function, but no temp. If we could figure out how to hack our BCMs to get a temp readout on the DIC, I wouldn't care if my mirror had that function or not.
I'm not worried about wiring, I have that handled. Used to work as a car audio/alarm installer. When I put an auto-dimming mirror in my first Sol, I figured out that one of the wires was for it to automatically bypass the dimmer circuit when you put the car in reverse. I don't know if the GENTEX mirrors have that feature, but the factory GM ones (or at least the ones out of '03 VUES) do.
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With the backup camera installed with my AVIC, I don't need that feature. I don't know why GM skimped on the mirror.
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Update -- Joe and I have HHR mirrors now that we're playing with, individually, this weekend. While the characters "°F" and "°C" are in the display, they don't even light up with the rest of the display when you power it up (via pin 13 - which powers the auto-dim function and the compass).
I tried every possible combo of two wires from a temp sensor to the remaining 7 terminals in the mirror harness with no luck on getting temp to display. Since HHR displays temp in the DIC, I'm beginning to think the circuits internal to the mirror just aren't there. Also, there's a pin conflict on pin 6 between GENTEX mirrors with map lights (pin 6 supplies +12V to the lamps/LEDs) and GENTEX mirrors with temp display (pins 6 and 7 are for the sensor circuit).
I'm off to try and figure out what it'll take to get temp to readout in the DIC. I don't have much hope that I'll come up with a solution, but I gotta try...
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Scott ; I think you need the sensor that gives you the temp. read out and the compass . My PT and Jeep G/C both have these sensors But not in the Mirror they are located in the overhead console .
On my GXP I have the stock mirror and cut the wires to the on-star ( I don't like anybody keeping tabs on my location still hooked up just disabled the Mirror )Now I want the dimming mirror w/all the other feathers.
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This is the sensor I bought for mine.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300356787829&viewitem= (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300356787829&viewitem=)
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Scott ; I think you need the sensor that gives you the temp. read out and the compass . My PT and Jeep G/C both have these sensors But not in the Mirror they are located in the overhead console .
Actually, on the PT the temp sensor is in the grille, since it's OUTSIDE temp, not cabin temp. I assume the same is true for the Jeep.
On my GXP I have the stock mirror and cut the wires to the on-star ( I don't like anybody keeping tabs on my location still hooked up just disabled the Mirror )Now I want the dimming mirror w/all the other feathers.
So what you're saying is that the antenna and all the electronics are still in place and hooked up. So, all you've done is disable the ability for the driver to initiate an OnStar call... Nothing to do with "keeping tabs on my location". That stuff is all still hooked up and working...
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I bought an ambient temp sensor just like the one on my VUE, and just like the one I used when I installed an autodimming/compass/temp mirror in my '06. The problem is, I think, that the HHR mirror was never intended to display the temp, even though the VFD has the characters in it.
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Anybody get the HHR mirror hooked up with a minimum of effort? I tried looking up what the stock pinouts are, but can't find them anywhere, not even the service manual... Everybody is talking about their modified pinouts (without mentioning wire colors, I might add)... I compared the connectors, and this is what I found:
Sol harness:
1 - grey
2 - <empty>
3 - <empty>
4 - <empty>
5 - <empty>
6 - blue/white
7 - <empty>
8 - black
9 - <empty>
10 - <empty>
11 - green/white
12 - green/black
13 - <empty>
14 - yellow/black
15 - brown/white (I think)
16 - <empty>
HHR harness (came attached to the mirror)
1 - grey
2 - <empty>
3 - <empty>
4 - <empty>
5 - <empty>
6 - blue/white
7 - <empty>
8 - black
9 - light green
10 - <empty>
11 - green/white
12 - green/black
13 - pink
14 - yellow/black
15 - brown/white (I think)
16 - <empty>
So, both 9 and 13 are missing in the Sol harness. Do I just need to tie 13 and 14 (pink and yellow/black) together, as I've seen suggested elsewhere? I'm not confident in this seeing what others have marked these pins as... What does 9 give me? Reverse turn off?
Thanks
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The HHR mirror doesn't support temp and only needed one wire added and tapped into it from the accessories power. It's on 2Kwk4u's other mirror thread. I can't remember which wire off hand.
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Pin 13 needs ignition +12V. Tying it 10 14 won't work well as 14 is for the OnStar LEDs. Those are in turn tied into the dimmer circuit. As such, they will get variable voltage depending on the instrument panel lighting dimmer switch.
Pin 9 gives you reverse turn off. If you want that function, your best bet is to tap the wire that turns on the reverse lights. You can dig it out of the harness under the door sill trim on the passenger's side. It's a mint green colored wire (there are two... in my '08 one appeared to have a less glossy shielding. That was the one.)[attachment=1][attachment=2]
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I would send a PM to Reedred...he works for Audiovox, and I think they have a mirror that has what you are looking for.
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Pin 13 needs ignition +12V. Tying it 10 14 won't work well as 14 is for the OnStar LEDs. Those are in turn tied into the dimmer circuit. As such, they will get variable voltage depending on the instrument panel lighting dimmer switch.
Wait, what? OK, so I shouldn't tie 13 to 14 cuz it's variable. Which is 12V? The only other # I see above there is 10, and that's empty.
Just looked at your other thread, and pin 10 says "+12V for map lights (originally blue/white wire in pin 6 on solstice mirror)". So, I should tie 13 to 6, then, right? That corresponds to me recalling that Joe said +12V was the blue wire elsewhere...
Thanks
Matt
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No you need switched (accessory) power 12V for the dimming function, or your dimmer circuit will always be active and put a drain on your battery. The 12V that's already in the mirror is always-on. Best solution is to run a (new) 12V accessory supply up to the mirror.
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Wait, what? OK, so I shouldn't tie 13 to 14 cuz it's variable. Which is 12V? The only other # I see above there is 10, and that's empty.
Just looked at your other thread, and pin 10 says "+12V for map lights (originally blue/white wire in pin 6 on solstice mirror)". So, I should tie 13 to 6, then, right? That corresponds to me recalling that Joe said +12V was the blue wire elsewhere...
Thanks
Matt
Matt,
The mirror I have in my car now didn't originally have map lights in it. I modified it by adding the map lights. Pins 2 and 10 on that mirror go to a connector on the circuit board that was originally intended for an OnStar mic.
The blue/white wire on pin 6 in your car and in an HHR is a CONSTANT +12V power supply for the map lights. If you tie the pink wire from pin 13 into that one, your auto dimming and compass will be powered at all times. It will work, but it's not the best solution. It would be a constant load on your battery. I'm not sure how long it would have to sit, but eventually it would drain the battery low enough that your car wouldn't start (probably after a few days' time)... You need to run a new wire up from somewhere that's tied to a SWITCHED +12V (ignition/accessory).
hope this helps,
Scott
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With every mirror accepting the prime lighting spot in just about every car behind I went with 25% window tint. Now no more glare from the side mirrors too. Especially if your car is lowered the pickup trucks and every CUV with HID are no problem. Also I can text message in privacy. :)
Norm
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OK, so I'm wiring this up. What's the trick to pupping pins out of the scrap connector I got with the mirror to put in my good connector? Paperclip? Where?
Thanks
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OK, so I have read and been totally confused by the threads about this, I have an 08 GMC Sierra. It's mirror has auto dimming, on star, map lights, temp/compass. Can I unplug my Solstice mirror, swap them out, and be done with a little wire jumping in the sol? Will the on star and map lights still work in the truck without any trouble?
Also does the mirror have the compass circut in it, or do I have to get that and a temp sensor aftermarket and run a bunch of wires? All so confusing for someone who hasn't torn into anything on the car yet.
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Since the solstice mirror doesn't have temp in it, you need to purchase a GENTEX Mirror temp probe and you need a graphic of the CM mirror harness.
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OK, so I'm wiring this up. What's the trick to pupping pins out of the scrap connector I got with the mirror to put in my good connector? Paperclip? Where?
Thanks
Yup and stick into #13
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Yup and stick into #13
Paperclip doesn't seem to working too well. Gonna stop by the electronics store, and see if they have a tool for it.
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You have to pry up the little TPA (terminal position assurance) lock first. Then get at the tabs with a jewler's screwdriver to release the terminals.
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(http://presson.smugmug.com/photos/767478164_Lj6Lk-S.jpg)
(http://presson.smugmug.com/photos/767478881_Mq92e-L.jpg)
(http://presson.smugmug.com/photos/767478741_MMfoF-S.jpg)
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Ah, the TPA is a good tip. I was looking at that panel and wondering...
Still, no jewellers screwdriver I have will fit in that hole... A paperclip just barely fits, and I get the feeling it's not getting all the way in... Tried a safety pin... Nothing...
This seems like it should be straightforward, but it doesn't want to go.
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Ah, the TPA is a good tip. I was looking at that panel and wondering...
Still, no jewellers screwdriver I have will fit in that hole... A paperclip just barely fits, and I get the feeling it's not getting all the way in... Tried a safety pin... Nothing...
This seems like it should be straightforward, but it doesn't want to go.
Get a bigger hammer that always works for Gentleman Jack.
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Get a bigger hammer that always works for Gentleman Jack.
smash it apart, do what you need to do, and tape it back together. million mile warranty.
GJ
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smash it apart, do what you need to do, and tape it back together. million mile warranty.
GJ
Oh, I used a hammer. I only needed the leads with pins, not the connector itself. It was pissing me off, so it became 1000 pieces.
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Oh, I used a hammer. I only needed the leads with pins, not the connector itself. It was pissing me off, so it became 1000 pieces.
Use a safety pin or thumb tack.
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Use a safety pin or thumb tack.
Gentle Joe at it again....
:)
GJ
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Use a safety pin or thumb tack.
Did that. Didn't work. Hammer did.
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BFH is always the answer. :lol:
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Never force it. Always use a bigger hammer.
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OK, I got it done, the whole mess was a LOT easier than it seemed while reading all the posts on the boards about it. I used the HHR mirror and all the info I needed was in here and the Solstice forum. Special thanks to LiquidPT and 2kwk4u for the informative posts and pics. It took more time to get some new pin ends for the plug than the rest of the whole install.
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This is a great mod and one that I'm going to do very shortly as my HHR mirror is waiting across the border in the U.S. for me to pick up.
In the mean time I am having trouble getting parts. May have to stop into Autozone when I am in the U.S. on Monday. Can't seem to find much in pink and lime green wires as I would like to keep the harness colours correct if I can.
What gauge wire are we using for this? I would think that 18 gauge should be sufficient because all we are powering is the compass with the pink and switching off the auto-dimming with the lime green. A 5 amp fuse should do the trick on the switched 12 volts as well.
Were you able to find everything including the "pigtail fuse" pictured below at Autozone?
(http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:edKPpLcJdmU2GM:http://avalanche.tessco.com/productimages/300x300/39888.jpg)
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Were you able to find everything including the fuse tap pictured below at Autozone?
Probably will not (at least not that I've seen). But you will be able to get something like this:
(http://akamai.globalsources.com.edgesuite.net/f/593/3445/5d/pdt.static.globalsources.com/IMAGES/PDT/BIG/179/B1001140179.jpg)
I prefer these actually 'cos you can change the fuse if it blows, instead of having to replace the whole thing. If you can solder, just break apart an old/blown fuse and pull out one of the 'legs'. Then solder one wire from the above to the top of leg/tab and plug it in to the live side of the fuse location you select in the BCM.
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That's a good point Tomato and yes I can solder. Yeah if the fuse blows your dead in the water. The only other solution would be to use an "add a circuit" but that only adds to the expense.
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You won't blow a fuse on the mirror, don't worry about it. You need a mini ATM fuse tap and if you have time, you can order them online.
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You won't blow a fuse on the mirror, don't worry about it. You need a mini ATM fuse tap and if you have time, you can order them online.
I'd agree that the chances of you blowing a fuse because of a fault/failure in the mirror are slim to approaching zero. However the chances of blowing the fuse because you accidentally touch your live wire to ground, or your newly routed supply wire wears through rubbing on some metal part/edge or similar, maybe well be somewhat higher.
:cool:
Of course you might have more to worry about in that case, than just replacing the tap :lol:
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Yeah I think I'll go with the fuse JUST in case. Have to pick up the mirror on Monday so I'll make a stop at Autozone and see what I can grab there that they don't have here in Canada.
Then I can see what gauge wire they have on the mirror pigtail. 18 I would think as there can't be much current there.
I'd order on line but I'm not really going to save anything with shipping.
Thanks!
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I think I'm gonna go with a GENK31, and wire in a relay so the map lights act as auto door lights as well. Apparently, the GENK31 is identical to the GENK30 except for the wire harnesses they come with. GENK31 has a simpler harness that only has the following functions: map lights, auto dim mirror, temp, and compass, while the GENK30, I think basically adds a relay to the GENK31 harness with the accompanying wiring which includes one more pin the harness/connector for the GENK30 with the auto door feature, and one less pin for the GENK31. And there's about a $50 price difference between the two, essentially for the relay, a pin in the harness, and a little more wire.
My only concern is, where I can find that extra pin for the connector. By any chance does anyone know an online source for the pins that would fit into the harness that comes with this standardized harness for many rear view mirrors? I'm sure this is a pretty generic pin, but I think I remember reading that someone had a source for these pins. I'll need the extra pin for the harness on the GENK31 to get the auto-door feature to work.
Based on the paths previous aftermarket mirror pioneers have walked and were kind enough to post about, I think I can figure it out. I'm just finding it hard to part with the ~$200 or so for a rear view mirror with all the functions I want (auto-dim, map lights that also act as auto door lights, temp, compass), when the original plan that got me thinking another rear view mirror was about $40 for a junk yard GM mirror that I can either get auto dim and no map lights, or even $80 to hack apart 2 mirrors and siamese parts together. Especially when I'm considering getting WR door sills (~$200) because the cheap ass plastic on the stock ones shrinks when it gets cold, and causes the stainless strip to buckle outwards in the middles in cold Toronto winters, and a wind blocker of some sort for top down weather coming soon.
I'm a headhunter, and have a big fish interviewing next week. If that deal goes through, it takes care of my summer. So I think I may treat myself to the mirror if that works out.
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I think I'm gonna go with a GENK31, and wire in a relay so the map lights act as auto door lights as well. Apparently, the GENK31 is identical to the GENK30 except for the wire harness they come with. GENK31 has a simpler one that only functions the map lights, auto dim feature, temp, compass, while the GENK30, with its harness, I think basically adds a relay, and one pin to the harness/connector. And there's about a $50 price difference between the two.
Based on the paths previous aftermarket mirror pioneers have walked and were kind enough to post about, I think I can figure it out. I'm just finding it hard to part with the ~$200 or so for a rear view mirror with all the functions I want (auto-dim, map lights that also act as auto door lights, temp, compass), when the original plan that got me thinking another rear view mirror was about $40 for a junk yard GM mirror that I can either get auto dim and no map lights, or even $80 to hack apart 2 mirrors and siamese parts together. Especially when I'm considering getting WR door sills (~$200) because the cheap ass plastic on the stock ones shrinks when it gets cold, and causes the stainless strip to buckle outwards in the middles in cold Toronto winters, and a wind blocker of some sort for top down weather coming soon.
I'm a headhunter, and have a big fish interviewing next week. If that deal goes through, it takes care of my summer. So I think I may treat myself to the mirror if that works out.
By any chance does anyone know an online source for the pins that would fit into the harness that comes with this standardized harness for many rear view mirrors? I'm sure this is a pretty generic pin, but I think I remember reading that someone had a source for these pins. I'll need the extra pin for the harness on the GENK31 to get the auto-door feature to work.
I picked up my HHR mirror (no temp, but everything else) for $40 on ebay
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I picked up my HHR mirror (no temp, but everything else) for $40 on ebay
I tried that route. If I were in the US, I'd definitely go that route. But when I was looking, first of all, I could never find them. And whenever I did, say with LKQ, they wouldn't ship to Canada. One member on one board, can't remember, recomended a wrecker (Nordstrom I believe) that had one, but it was like $80-90. And living in Toronto, it's not quite worth it for me to drive across the border just to pick up my mirror.
We'll see what route I end up with. Personally, I like the aesthetics of the CIPA mirror more, but I can't get anyone to confirm that the lights will dim slowly, I believe they call it "theatre/cinema" style on the kappa . . . a feature I really like. I suspect that it does have this slow dim feature because it's a carry over from the BCM signal that you tap to control the relay that goes to the map lights. And just in case anyone else is thinking about going this route, go with a solid state relay as you will get chatter with a mechanical one.
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If the pins from the harness on our cars are the ones that you need, I can send you what you a couple gratis when I pick up my mirror from the states on Monday. I'll have a few extra.
Take a few moments to update your location in your profile as it makes it a lot easier to get help in instances like this when people can see at a glance where you are from.
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Wow! That's awful kind of you. I guess I'll get back to you when I get around to ordering one.
And please, if anyone else knows an online source for the pins, I'd greatly appreciate it. If they sell them in quantity, I wouldn't mind sending out extras of mine to others that end up getting mirrors with map lights.
If the pins from the harness on our cars are the ones that you need, I can send you what you a couple gratis when I pick up my mirror from the states on Monday. I'll have a few extra.
Take a few moments to update your location in your profile as it makes it a lot easier to get help in instances like this when people can see at a glance where you are from.
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Sly Bob ---> when you come through Customs The first exit theres a Texico Station . Thats where I stopped when comming back to MD. He had a little bit of everything in there . I think there was an Auto Zone or something down the street. He would know he also had a few Late model Junkers there probly for Parts .Unless you want to drive to Johnstown for another Auto Zone . He worked on my PT there. was Cheap to and friendly.
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Wow! That's awful kind of you. I guess I'll get back to you when I get around to ordering one.
And please, if anyone else knows an online source for the pins, I'd greatly appreciate it. If they sell them in quantity, I wouldn't mind sending out extras of mine to others that end up getting mirrors with map lights.
PM me your address when you know what you need and I will send them out. Glad to do it as another member here helped me out a while ago when I was in a bind. What goes around, comes around.
Hey, us Canadians have to stick together! ;)
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Sly Bob ---> when you come through Customs The first exit theres a Texico Station . Thats where I stopped when coming back to MD. He had a little bit of everything in there . I think there was an Auto Zone or something down the street. He would know he also had a few Late model Junkers there probly for Parts .Unless you want to drive to Johnstown for another Auto Zone . He worked on my PT there. was Cheap to and friendly.
I come across the Rainbow bridge as there isn't the line up there that you usually get at the Queenston-Lewiston bridge, unless you are talking the Peace bridge in Buffalo? The business that I get my stuff delivered to over there is about 2 minutes from the border across the Rainbow. The Autozone isn't too far from there on Pine st.
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I always thought they called it the "Rainbow" bridge due to the arch design, until this... taken from the park on the American side of the horseshoe falls, a stone's throw from the Rainbow Bridge:
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Looks different from the U.S. side. ;)
It really is a nice area in the summer. In the winter too for that matter. The ice formations from the freezing mist coming from the falls can be incredible.
http://www.pbase.com/michaelsv/niagara_falls (http://www.pbase.com/michaelsv/niagara_falls)
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Picked up the mirror today and for $46 with shipping it was a heck of a deal. I picked up an "add a circuit" and now all I have to do is get the car out of storage so I can do the install. Going to pick up 10 ft. of pink and 10 ft. of green 18 gauge wire tomorrow on the way home from work.
That windshield interior trim pulls off like the door sills? Just grab it and pull? :idk:
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That windshield interior trim pulls off like the door sills? Just grab it and pull? :idk:
Only if you want to break it :)
(Sorry, couldn't resist.) You have to unscrew the sunvisors first - but then you probably knew that. After that, it's grab and pull. A-pillars are grab and pull too.
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Was that grab... and then pull? :poke:
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Welllllll... you could try pulling first, then grabbing :idk:
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check out this link on ebay
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/16-pin-Gentex-GNTX-261-Rear-View-Mirror-Wire-Harness-8F_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trkparmsZalgoQ3dLVIQ26ituQ3dUCIQ26otnQ3d3Q26poQ3dLVIQ26psQ3d63Q26clkidQ3d8373966361020214914QQ_trksidZp3286Q2em7QQcategoryZ33699QQihZ018QQitemZ280470775860
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I pull back the plastic to create enough space to use a large flat tip screwdriver and insert that against the clip, twist the screwdriver and it pops the clip out of the slot.
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I pull back the plastic to create enough space to use a large flat tip screwdriver and insert that against the clip, twist the screwdriver and it pops the clip out of the slot.
That worked great Joe, thanks for the tip. :thumbs:
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Dark Tech bought the HHR mirror and received it. The plug came with the chopped off harness.
What I need to know is how to remove the a pin from the old harness so he can stick in plug it into spot 13 of the stock harness to (accessories 12v needed)
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never mind, found it on page 2 of this thread
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never mind, found it on page 2 of this thread
How soon we forget... :lol:
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I'm going to have to do this sometime soon, well at least order the mirror for delivery to Joe's :)
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Yeah it's an easy and great little mod. With my in dash nav unit the compass is a little redundant.
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That is on the list of things to do as well. I now have Nav unit radios in all the other cars. Just can't decide what I want Joe to put into the Sol. Maybe I will ask for his recommendation, see what he wants to install :)
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OK, I am a little dim sometimes. What exact mirror do we want that works the easiest? Which one has the map lights and auto dimming plus compass that works?
Thanks,
Jim :cool:
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The HHR mirror Jim. Check out the thread from the start.
Here's one here although I got mine cheaper.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2007-2008-Chevy-HHR-Rear-View-Mirror-Onstar-OEM-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem19bffe713bQQitemZ110595305787QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2007-2008-Chevy-HHR-Rear-View-Mirror-Onstar-OEM-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem19bffe713bQQitemZ110595305787QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories)
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Careful though Jim, the one that I listed above has LED lights but some listed on eBay don't. They really work well in our cars though although it's not a plug and play installation. Almost but not quite...
Also try to get one that has the plug of the harness attached as you'll need another pin or two to complete the installation.
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Great, thanks. IIRC the LED needed a resistor? Is that correct?
Jim :cool:
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No those LED lights that are integrated into the mirror don't require any changes. All that is required for installation is power for the compass and a wire to turn off the dimming when the car is in reverse if you wish.
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OK, great. Do all the HHR mirrors have auto dimming, and map lights?
Jim :cool:
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That I'm not sure. I believe it was an optional mirror in those cars.
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is there any specific year HHR mirror that I need to buy or does it matter...
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where is everyone buying there mirror from...
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If you are looking to buy a used one keep an eye on eBay as they pop up from time to time. LKQ often has them. Be sure though that the mirror you buy has the map lights on it as well though as some do not. As a general rule, if it doesn't say that it has map lights on the mirror, it probably does not.
If the map lights are small as in the listing above, then they are the LED lights.
You could always check your local auto recycler as well.
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Sly Bob ; You will have to copy and paste on ebay in scerach area he has 5 and other things but mainly mirrors
Gentex 261 Onstar Auto-dim Mirror with Compass and Temp
Item Id: 250768850170
I Was talking with this Dealer and he knows all the ins and outs of these Mirrors and is willing to answer any and all Questions about the hook up and wiring . I told him about our Forum.
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Sly Bob ; You will have to copy and paste on ebay in scerach area he has 5 and other things but mainly mirrors
Gentex 261 Onstar Auto-dim Mirror with Compass and Temp
Item Id: 250768850170
I Was talking with this Dealer and he knows all the ins and outs of these Mirrors and is willing to answer any and all Questions about the hook up and wiring . I told him about our Forum.
Thanks good find, I will be ordering this next week, maybe someone at the mod meet can install it for me..
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IBDRINKEN ; This is what the Dealer told me.
Bobby,
Any mirror I sell is actually intended as universal, and can go in anything with a windshield. 99% of all cars use the same wedge mount, and if they don't, you just glue one on. Every mirror i sell will be simplified to only the four necessary wires. The onstar mirrors are just something I figured out for all the new GM trucks that come with a basic mirror. I seem to be the only person who figured out how to add the t/c/dim mirror while keeping onstar. Dealerships won't even attempt it. I know the wiring of virtually every gentex mirror
I ordered one and will know in couple days
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Thanks Bobby. I punched in the item number and went to "see other items" and as you said, he has mostly mirrors. The one that you listed the item number for though, doesn't appear to have map lights in it.
He includes the temperature sensor with his mirrors though as well as instructions for hookup and his prices are reasonable. Thanks for the heads up although I don't think I'll be changing the HHR mirror that I have now.
http://motors.shop.ebay.com/cgshaw2010/m.html (http://motors.shop.ebay.com/cgshaw2010/m.html)
For those that are looking at these mirrors, if it doesn't say that the mirror has map lights, it probably does not. Be sure to check with the vendor as it'll be awfully dark in the cabin without those lights.
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Sly Bob ; I think "2k4u" Steve modified his like this last year with lights. This guy told me he could walk me through the change .I will ask If I send him mine could he do it
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Yeah Bobby he did and it looked really good. I just didn't want someone to look at the link that I posted and think it was exactly what they needed. Plug and play as it were.
I remember someone some time ago buying what they thought was the right mirror but it didn't have the lights. The description on eBay didn't say that it had lights and he didn't ask the question.
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This Dealer said he hasn't seen one with lights and everything else with On Star
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I believe that to be true if you are looking for a mirror with the temperature read out.
Too bad we were never able to figure out how to get the temperature read out on the DIC. Not that it really matters as it's either warm enough to put the top down or it isn't. After that it's irrelevant. :D
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Sly Bob ; I am driving an HHR rental and it has the same Info package cluster as the Sky and Solstice . This one has the temp sensor and the read-out on the dash. I'll see if I can Locate where it goes and let you know "May just work"
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Is there a Homelink, Temp, lights option? I do not see it. Bummer.
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Does anyone know if the mirror from the Corvette would work? Like this one: Ebay (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/05-09-CORVETTE-C6-Z06-AUTO-DIM-REAR-VIEW-MIRROR-COMPASS-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem20b32ce812QQitemZ140445018130QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories)
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i dont think it would as he vette has the airbag indicator in it as well....
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does anyone have any spare rear view mirror connector pins? I picked up an HHR mirror on ebay, but I need two additional pins for the connector.
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I know this is an old thread, but I finally got around to trying this and bought an HHR mirror, but it didn't come with a pigtail. Can anyone tell me which female terminal is needed for the 16 pin connector, and is that 16 or 18 guage wire? If anyone knows of a good source for the terminals that would be great too. Thanks.
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Your GM dealer probably has the crimp terminals on their parts shelf, they may or may not have the connector body. Often times the part number for the connector and the terminals is in the maintenance manual for the car, there should be a pin out for the terminal and the PN is usually in the same area. The dealer ship may or may not help you find this information. Ask which tech does their electrical work and that guy can probably help you find the PNs.
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Do you need a plug? Can't use your old one that's in the car? As far as pin outs go, this post will give you that information and 18 guage should be lots.
http://www.kappaperformance.com/forum/index.php/topic,441.msg45545.html#msg45545
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Just looking for a read and saw this mod. My wifes Acadia has the autodimming and I like this idea for the Sol.
I see we need to add a wire into slot 13 and run the wire through to a 12V accessory fuse that is not constant. I wasn't seeing if the temp was addressed and if it can be wired in too with a sensor added. If it can, what exactly do I need to buy to add this? Is the temp in slot 9?
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Get the version with the back up camera screen while you're at it. :thumbs:
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Which version would you get that has the back up cam in it
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Which version would you get that has the back up cam in it
And not lose the maplights?
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After this re-raising the HHR mirror swap idea, I've finally got around to ordering whiter LEDs to replace the overly "warm' ones in the standard HHR mirror. Will let you know how it goes.
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I thought there was a thread here that had the back up cam mirror mod don't recall if it had the map lights.
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And not lose the maplights?
That's correct
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There was this thread on installing the rear view mirror with a camera.
http://www.kappaperformance.com/forum/index.php/topic,8327.msg128537.html#msg128537
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After this re-raising the HHR mirror swap idea, I've finally got around to ordering whiter LEDs to replace the overly "warm' ones in the standard HHR mirror. Will let you know how it goes.
Did it. Started a thread... http://www.kappaperformance.com/forum/index.php?topic=10332
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Is there a versrion
WITH camera display
WITH map-lights
POSSIBLY WITH compass/temp
WITHOUT OnStar?!
I live in Germany, so the OnStar-Buttons won`t make any sense at all... :(
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Not from GM I don't believe. Remember that Gentex, the manufacturer of the mirror makes them for a lot of vehicle manufacturers so you may well find what you are looking for in a mirror made for another brand. It's gonna take some digging to see if there is something's available although I have yet to see one.
It's certainly worth digging around though. The tough part is always the map lights but let us know if you come up with something.
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I'm trying to find one with onstar auto dim, map lights and possibly a back up camera but I can do without the camera if I find one
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So, as stated, why not just get an HHR mirror? Has all but the camera screen, and plentiful on eBay. I just bought one on behalf of a friend about a month ago. Cost $45 shipped and looked new (actually cost less than I paid for mine 2 years ago!)
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What he said. :agree:
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I found a few I'm watching, does it matter what year it's from
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Prolly not - if it has the same connector you shud b gud
I wonder if the earlier ones had the whiter LEDs (like Bob's)?
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You could always figure out a separate map light too that is not part of the mirror.
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Not sure if the year was even listed when I got mine but I wouldn't get too hung up about it as long as it has all the features you want. It IS nice though if it comes with the pigtail so you've got a pin to use later.
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besides the connector, is it possible to mount every mirror that fits an HHR?! :cool:
Looking at this one (http://www.ebay.com/itm/07-08-09-AURA-REAR-VIEW-MIRROR-306348-/310919845824?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&fits=Model%3AHHR&hash=item48644457c0&vxp=mtr), is it possible to mount and connect it to a sky?!
It woul be easily possible to install two map lights plus an ambient lighting and control it using the OnStar buttons... :devil:
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Oh yeah that's the same mirror I installed with the exception of the map lights. It's the mirror that my wife has in her Malibu. As Sol Asylum said, if you can come up with another option for map lights or cabin lighting, that will work fine.
I prefer though to keep it looking stock.
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besides the connector, is it possible to mount every mirror that fits an HHR?! :cool:
Looking at this one (http://www.ebay.com/itm/07-08-09-AURA-REAR-VIEW-MIRROR-306348-/310919845824?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&fits=Model%3AHHR&hash=item48644457c0&vxp=mtr), is it possible to mount and connect it to a sky?!
It woul be easily possible to install two map lights plus an ambient lighting and control it using the OnStar buttons... :devil:
Yes, but why DO that? That's more expensive than the HHR mirrors (*with* maplights) have been going for!
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Set up an alert in ebay if you don't see a mirror there so ebay will email you when a mirror gets listed.
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I installed an older Gentex mirror in my 2006 Solstice, and found that I had to buy new connector pins to reliably make connections. Since I had to buy 100 of these, I obviously have plenty to share (gratis) with my fellow Kappa modders. The connector pins I bought are TE Connectivity/AMP 1123343-1 and are suitable for 20-24AWG stranded wires.
Send me a private message with your address and number needed, and I'll get you an envelope on the way.
Regards, Alan
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That's awesome Alan and people like you are what make this forum the best Kappa forum on the net. Nice of you to make such an offer.