Kappa Performance Forum
Kappa Specific => 2.0L Ecotec Engines => Topic started by: Rogue on September 30, 2014, 04:16:27 PM
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We purchased an engine from ZZ Performance to replace the one with the cracked block in GXPsy. It was advertised as an LDK/LNF replacement. Well, it is an LDK (FWD eg: Cobalt, HHR, Ion, Gr) replacement. We now have the engine and the car at the dealer, and all sorts of issues have popped up. The most significant is cylinder head to heater hose fitting clearance. Has anyone here done this replacement already? ZZ Performance has been a bit, ummm, non-helpful in the assistance department. They did just send me an email acknowledging that they never actually did one of these replacements in their shop (after insisting in a number of email exchanges that they had never had a problem and had no clue what I'm talking about) and that my mechanics were wrong to question the suitability of this engine. Help!
DDM, have you guys done anything with the ZZ Performance LDK as an LNF replacement? My mechanic is telling me the cylinder head needs to be swapped out for an LNF cylinder head. help! Oh, I already said Help. Sorry.
Thanks.
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You have to love DDM. I sent Dave a text about this, and less than 10 seconds later I'm getting a phone call back from him. Wow!
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Folks on the BB have done it... BlackBirdRacing I think, was one.
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The only thing that needs swapping is your oil pan.
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According to Dave at DDM it can be done, however it renders the heater hose non serviceable. The heater hose has to be attached to the firewall, the engine is lowered into place, and then the heater hose is attached to the block. In order to do routine heater hose maintenance the engine has to be removed. It is almost imperative to use an LNF cylinder head, not an LDK cylinder head. Thanks.
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The only thing that needs swapping is your oil pan.
Yes. I know it has been done. Changing out the oil pan is a no brainer. That's not the issue. Per ZZP, "Why are you worrying about your heater hose? They rarely ever need servicing?" Well, maybe because the Mrs drives her cars 250-300K miles before she retires them. The hose will need to be serviced at some point in time. Perhaps I'm being too much of a stickler, but I feel they did not deliver what they advertised.
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Yes. I know it has been done. Changing out the oil pan is a no brainer. That's not the issue. Per ZZP, "Why are you worrying about your heater hose? They rarely ever need servicing?"
Sounds like Zoomer. :)
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Folks on the BB have done it... BlackBirdRacing I think, was one.
I got a PM back from Black Bird. He used an LDK short block and then installed an LNF cylinder head. At that point the only issue is to swap out the oil pans.
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ZZP has come forward and offered to supply a new, fully loaded LNF cylinder head. They declined to compensate for the additional shop and labor expense incurred by the changeover, but at least they did make a conciliatory offer.
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ZZP has come forward and offered to supply a new, fully loaded LNF cylinder head. They declined to compensate for the additional shop and labor expense incurred by the changeover, but at least they did make a conciliatory offer.
Very glad to hear Zoomer took care of your issue. Good on ZZP for stepping up.
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Half a step, but better than nothing.
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i knew i saw this before
Step 1 sell LDK
Step 2?????
step 3 Profit
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LOL Elff...I totally forgot about that episode! Funny as hell though!
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I hope they install the head gasket right this time so you don't end up with another cracked block. :poke:
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A GM Certified Master Mechanic with a lot of Solstice experience is doing the engine work. I have confidance he will do it correctly.
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We have done several of these both with LDK cylinder heads and LNF cylinder heads, what would you like to know?
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Thanks for the response Dave. Right now we seem to have everything under control. If there are any other snags I'll ask for your expertise. I appreciate your weighing in.
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Dave @ Pwerks was instrumental while I was doing my ldk swap.
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Finally got Gxpsy back from the dealer. We were away on vacation when they finished it. Picked it up Friday evening. So far, so good. Pat is once again a happy camper. She drove off in it this morning for her morning commute. I'll report back again this evening on how well it did. We did notice that the mechanic did not put the charge tube back on so it wouldn't interfere with the hood hinge. My short term solution was to put a piece of tubing on the hinge to cushion the contact area. A permanent fix will be done in the near future.
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Thanks Robo for the link. I see on their site that they have 3 ordering option:
1) Drop in LDK
2) Drop in for LNF (FWD) add $90
3) Drop in for LNF (RWD) add $500
Perhaps they're adding the LNF head in lieu of the LDK head.
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They are if I read it correctly weeks ago.
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A quick follow up on the new engine. Everything is doing well. Power is good, and fuel mileage appears to be up two mpg. Have not yet flogged it. Waiting to get more miles on the new engine first. I have no doubt Pat will advise me when she's given it a full power test!
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Thank you for sharing, I'm following this topic because not sure which route I will go with my engine in a couple of weeks, fix it with aftermarket parts or replace it with a LDK new one.
Rogue do you know where LDK engine are produced? US/EU/both?
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Thank you for sharing, I'm following this topic because not sure which route I will go with my engine in a couple of weeks, fix it with aftermarket parts or replace it with a LDK new one.
Rogue do you know where LDK engine are produced? US/EU/both?
Put in a TDI!!!!!
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Put in a TDI!!!!!
Hell no, I had enough with TDIs from Volkswagen, I don't want to see those any more.
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F TDI's
Kelu, I'll try to get back to you when I have a chance. Work has been insane.
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Take the engine out of a Nissan Leaf and use that!
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Take the engine out of a Nissan Leaf and use that!
Those are most probably Renault engines, I can take one out from our domestic Dacia a lot cheaper but I don't like those. If is not our engine, for sure would love a chevy engine.
elff: ah, that means you got my msg?
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Sorry Kelu. I don't know the country of origin. I'll look around and see if I can find out. That's an interesting question.
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Those are most probably Renault engines, I can take one out from our domestic Dacia a lot cheaper but I don't like those. If is not our engine, for sure would love a chevy engine.
elff: ah, that means you got my msg?
The Leaf is 100% electric.
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The Leaf is 100% electric.
Why I would do that, Mr. Prius?
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It's faster.
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It's faster.
In the actual conditions even a bicycle without engine is faster than my car
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Well, yeah.
Do you want the engine from my truck? Just pay shipping.
The engine comes with a truck attached and some other cargo.