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Title: Dyno tune- 10/2 @ 2- 2007 Pontiac Solstice GXP Auto- www.jotechracing.com
Post by: CJ Krause on September 19, 2009, 06:29:08 PM: at Jotech Racing we will be doing a dyno tune on a 2007 Pontiac Solstice GXP Auto. this will be a stealt, switchable infinity boost at 2 pm. Anyone wishing to come by and visit and watch is free to come.

we will be posting results and pics on how it went and what Ken thinks of the tune from him after he has had a chance to drive it a while.

if anyone is interested in coming down and watching, visiting and talking while the tune is going on, come on down.
i know this is a friday afternoon and hope you can make it. would love to have visitors
635 to Miller coming from the West works better then going to Jupiter.

www.jotechracing.com (http://www.jotechracing.com) at 2 pm
3513 Dividend Drive
Garland TX 75042
http://maps.google.com/maps?oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&ie=UTF8&q=3513+Dividend+Drive+Garland+TX+75042&fb=1&gl=us&hnear=3513+Dividend+Drive+Garland+TX+75042&cid=0,0,4155814311866762353&ei=jVq1Su6IL4_p8Qbfr7CTDw&ll=32.896813,-96.699343&spn=0.039349,0.085917&z=14&iwloc=A (http://maps.google.com/maps?oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&ie=UTF8&q=3513+Dividend+Drive+Garland+TX+75042&fb=1&gl=us&hnear=3513+Dividend+Drive+Garland+TX+75042&cid=0,0,4155814311866762353&ei=jVq1Su6IL4_p8Qbfr7CTDw&ll=32.896813,-96.699343&spn=0.039349,0.085917&z=14&iwloc=A)
Title: Re: Dyno tune- 10/2 @ 2- 2007 Pontiac Solstice GXP Auto- www.jotechracing.com
Post by: U4EA on September 19, 2009, 07:29:28 PM: I'll be there!
Be there or be square!
Title: Re: Dyno tune- 10/2 @ 2- 2007 Pontiac Solstice GXP Auto- www.jotechracing.com
Post by: Imaj on September 20, 2009, 12:28:57 AM: I too, will be there. Look forward to meeting everyone.
Title: Re: Dyno tune- 10/2 @ 2- 2007 Pontiac Solstice GXP Auto- www.jotechracing.com
Post by: Sly Bob on September 20, 2009, 08:35:35 AM: Anxious to see the results. If someone were to bring a video camera then I could be there as well. :D
^
we all
Title: Re: Dyno tune- 10/2 @ 2- 2007 Pontiac Solstice GXP Auto- www.jotechracing.com
Post by: Kelu on September 20, 2009, 10:23:56 AM: Internet live streaming? :D
Title: Re: Dyno tune- 10/2 @ 2- 2007 Pontiac Solstice GXP Auto- www.jotechracing.com
Post by: Imaj on September 20, 2009, 10:35:46 AM: I am working on that Kelu. Hope to have some info. by end of next week. Stay tuned!
Title: Re: Dyno tune- 10/2 @ 2- 2007 Pontiac Solstice GXP Auto- www.jotechracing.com
Post by: Sly Bob on September 20, 2009, 10:39:40 AM: Quote from: Imaj on September 20, 2009, 10:35:46 AM
I am working on that Kelu. Hope to have some info. by end of next week. Stay tuned!
That'd be cool :cheers:
Title: Re: Dyno tune- 10/2 @ 2- 2007 Pontiac Solstice GXP Auto- www.jotechracing.com
Post by: Kelu on September 20, 2009, 10:42:48 AM: Sorry fo off topic
Imaj: do you ever check your private messages? :)
If you need some help about this just let me know.
Title: Re: Dyno tune- 10/2 @ 2- 2007 Pontiac Solstice GXP Auto- www.jotechracing.com
Post by: kwtoxman on September 20, 2009, 10:59:40 AM: CJs,

Are you expecting this to be further evolution of the tune for the solstice based on Imaj's results? Or because it is another car and an auto that the tune will be starting over.....
Title: Re: Dyno tune- 10/2 @ 2- 2007 Pontiac Solstice GXP Auto- www.jotechracing.com
Post by: CJ Krause on September 20, 2009, 12:16:04 PM: no Vince usually starts w what he did from the last time, adjust it for the mods of the individual car and then try to learn from the datalogs to get the most out of the tune for the customer. the logging really helps him learn each system and they are all different when modified. he has stock HHR SS and Balt SS tunes down. sometimes there is only one tweak needed.

he said the auto tranny may or may not be able to be tuned. he is working on that
Title: Re: Dyno tune- 10/2 @ 2- 2007 Pontiac Solstice GXP Auto- www.jotechracing.com
Post by: Sly Bob on September 20, 2009, 12:25:03 PM: Quote from: CJs ModsandMore on September 20, 2009, 12:16:04 PM
he said the auto tranny may or may not be able to be tuned. he is working on that
I believe that by that statement you mean the transmission it's self and not a Solstice with an automatic transmission?
Title: Re: Dyno tune- 10/2 @ 2- 2007 Pontiac Solstice GXP Auto- www.jotechracing.com
Post by: kwtoxman on September 20, 2009, 05:06:24 PM: Quote from: CJs ModsandMore on September 20, 2009, 12:16:04 PM
no Vince usually starts w what he did from the last time, adjust it for the mods of the individual car and then try to learn from the datalogs to get the most out of the tune for the customer. the logging really helps him learn each system and they are all different when modified. he has stock HHR SS and Balt SS tunes down. sometimes there is only one tweak needed.

he said the auto tranny may or may not be able to be tuned. he is working on that
So he is building a solstice tune as he goes from car to car, not to mention tweaking the the tune for each individual's car (gas used at that time, altitude, mods, etc). I really think this is a great point with trifecta at the moment. The tune is relatively new to the solstice, but Vince will be making quick gains in his understanding and with the tune as more people put it on and datalog it. It sounds like at this time most sol owners going with the Trifecta are doing data logging during install with Vince fine tuning the code. Bring it on everyone. :)
Title: Re: Dyno tune- 10/2 @ 2- 2007 Pontiac Solstice GXP Auto- www.jotechracing.com
Post by: CJ Krause on September 20, 2009, 11:37:41 PM: it is all about learning like i am sure it is for all the other tuners. usually once he gets one learned then the rest are alot easier. tranny tunes are the most difficult because of the owners wishes. he earns his money on tranny tunes.
Title: Re: Dyno tune- 10/2 @ 2- 2007 Pontiac Solstice GXP Auto- www.jotechracing.com
Post by: lil goat on September 21, 2009, 08:20:12 AM: From past experience with the auto GXP on the dyno I expect the dyno sheets to be misleading, I have never seen them show the correct numbers. I saw two cars with basically the same tune one auto and one manual dyno'd and they showed a difference of 40 hp, the auto way lower. Yet the night before they had both been at the track and there time slips were one tenth apart, with the auto being the faster. I just say this so people don't freak if the numbers are not what is expected, there have since been some tricks learned with the GXP auto and maybe we will get some good numbers.
Title: Re: Dyno tune- 10/2 @ 2- 2007 Pontiac Solstice GXP Auto- www.jotechracing.com
Post by: CJ Krause on September 21, 2009, 10:11:42 AM: i am hoping that Kenny has some tricks for getting solid #s. i will tell you i had the same issue w my automatic on the dyno as well.
Kenny has been doing this a while so i am sure we can figure out something. they seem to care that they can do the best they can for their customers
Title: Re: Dyno tune- 10/2 @ 2- 2007 Pontiac Solstice GXP Auto- www.jotechracing.com
Post by: Deep-GXP on September 21, 2009, 02:19:01 PM: Quote from: Kelu on September 20, 2009, 10:23:56 AM
Internet live streaming? :D

That could easily be done with someone with a laptop & webcam.

It would be awesome haha.
Title: Re: Dyno tune- 10/2 @ 2- 2007 Pontiac Solstice GXP Auto- www.jotechracing.com
Post by: Imaj on September 21, 2009, 05:01:44 PM: Thats the idea Deep.
Title: Re: Dyno tune- 10/2 @ 2- 2007 Pontiac Solstice GXP Auto- www.jotechracing.com
Post by: Gentleman Jack on September 21, 2009, 07:42:13 PM: Can the video then be logged on the forum for future viewing? Also, can we have live streaming CHAT to go along with it so we can ask questions as we go? Works on "OTHER" types of sites.... should be able to be done here too! That would we :censor: awesome!

A round of golf and a bottle of scotch for whoever pulls this off. :award:

(golf must be played in San Diego and the Scotch must be shared during the round...)
Title: Re: Dyno tune- 10/2 @ 2- 2007 Pontiac Solstice GXP Auto- www.jotechracing.com
Post by: U4EA on September 29, 2009, 07:58:04 PM: Is it Friday yet?
Imaj, are you going to dyno again now you have some time on the tune?
Title: Re: Dyno tune- 10/2 @ 2- 2007 Pontiac Solstice GXP Auto- www.jotechracing.com
Post by: DCLocal on September 29, 2009, 09:05:34 PM: Quote from: Deep-GXP on September 21, 2009, 02:19:01 PM
That could easily be done with someone with a laptop & webcam. It would be awesome haha.
Or at the very least with a phone and Qik. (http://www.qik.com)
Title: Re: Dyno tune- 10/2 @ 2- 2007 Pontiac Solstice GXP Auto- www.jotechracing.com
Post by: Imaj on September 29, 2009, 10:34:37 PM: I am happy with where my car is at this time. I really have a ton of power now. The low end torque is amazing. So amazing that during my last rack session with all nannie controls off...I came out of a turn giving it a little gas and went into two 360 spins.

I am still going to setup the live streaming. More to come by Thursday.
Title: Re: Dyno tune- 10/2 @ 2- 2007 Pontiac Solstice GXP Auto- www.jotechracing.com
Post by: 1LILNDN on September 29, 2009, 11:36:09 PM: I just checked the mileage from MD to Garland,TX only 1,376 miles at 70 + about 18 hr drive .I got the OK from my honey, Now to get the OK for time off from work. I can almost SQQ the Dyno .I just might try it .
going to ask on Wed

:brnout: :drive: MOOOVIN on
Title: Re: Dyno tune- 10/2 @ 2- 2007 Pontiac Solstice GXP Auto- www.jotechracing.com
Post by: 1LILNDN on October 01, 2009, 12:22:33 AM: Well we have work for the rest of the week .Roughing in (2) gas lines for inspection and Installing 90 + furnace w/A/C .won't make it to Texas this time .I hope you all enjoy the get together
Title: Re: Dyno tune- 10/2 @ 2- 2007 Pontiac Solstice GXP Auto- www.jotechracing.com
Post by: Imaj on October 02, 2009, 01:02:07 AM: Here is the URl to the live video streaming event.

http://www.ustream.tv/channel/solstice-trifecta-tune (http://www.ustream.tv/channel/solstice-trifecta-tune)

Keep in mind that this is my first live stream using ustream. So, things may not always go well. Also, I hope to have a live chat going as well.

This will start around 2:00pm CST.
Title: Re: Dyno tune- 10/2 @ 2- 2007 Pontiac Solstice GXP Auto- www.jotechracing.com
Post by: Gentleman Jack on October 02, 2009, 01:26:09 AM: This looks like it's going to be great! Just got all of our contracts signed for next year tonight, so I should be free for Friday's MAIN EVENT! Imaj, what mods do you currently have that are going to be tested? Did you test stock and then post mods? Just curious to see the changes...

Genlteman Jack
Title: Re: Dyno tune- 10/2 @ 2- 2007 Pontiac Solstice GXP Auto- www.jotechracing.com
Post by: Arabas on October 02, 2009, 03:58:11 AM: Well done Imaj!!!! the video will be saved in this url after live broadcasting, so as to watch later right?
Title: Re: Dyno tune- 10/2 @ 2- 2007 Pontiac Solstice GXP Auto- www.jotechracing.com
Post by: Kelu on October 02, 2009, 08:02:48 AM: Thank you Imaj.

Can this be recorded? At friday night 10 pm (my time) I have club meetings so I will not be online, I will try to check it out from my mobile phone but I doubt will work good.

Thanks again Imaj for setting this up ;)
Title: Re: Dyno tune- 10/2 @ 2- 2007 Pontiac Solstice GXP Auto- www.jotechracing.com
Post by: Imaj on October 02, 2009, 11:49:09 AM: It can be recored. I will record as well. Thanks!
Title: Re: Dyno tune- 10/2 @ 2- 2007 Pontiac Solstice GXP Auto- www.jotechracing.com
Post by: Kelu on October 02, 2009, 12:27:31 PM: ETA 2,5h, right? (check my post's time)
I think I will be late for my club meeting but I don't want to miss it because of the timezone.
Title: Re: Dyno tune- 10/2 @ 2- 2007 Pontiac Solstice GXP Auto- www.jotechracing.com
Post by: Imaj on October 02, 2009, 03:49:11 PM: We are live!
Title: Re: Dyno tune- 10/2 @ 2- 2007 Pontiac Solstice GXP Auto- www.jotechracing.com
Post by: Critterman on October 02, 2009, 03:52:31 PM: blocked here at work.
Title: Re: Dyno tune- 10/2 @ 2- 2007 Pontiac Solstice GXP Auto- www.jotechracing.com
Post by: DeepBlueGXP on October 02, 2009, 03:54:12 PM: It's running now.
Title: Re: Dyno tune- 10/2 @ 2- 2007 Pontiac Solstice GXP Auto- www.jotechracing.com
Post by: Imaj on October 02, 2009, 04:27:28 PM: We are running the first Vince tune now
Title: Re: Dyno tune- 10/2 @ 2- 2007 Pontiac Solstice GXP Auto- www.jotechracing.com
Post by: Imaj on October 02, 2009, 04:45:32 PM: Okay...run number 2 is starting.
Title: Re: Dyno tune- 10/2 @ 2- 2007 Pontiac Solstice GXP Auto- www.jotechracing.com
Post by: Imaj on October 02, 2009, 04:53:35 PM: We hit 26 psi of boost. 313 pounds of torque...221hp
Title: Re: Dyno tune- 10/2 @ 2- 2007 Pontiac Solstice GXP Auto- www.jotechracing.com
Post by: Kelu on October 02, 2009, 05:44:11 PM: I was watching first 30 minutes but I had to run.
Title: Re: Dyno tune- 10/2 @ 2- 2007 Pontiac Solstice GXP Auto- www.jotechracing.com
Post by: CJ Krause on October 02, 2009, 10:17:36 PM: here is the final Dyno Sheet
243.8 WHP/318.7 WTQ

(http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j313/cjkrause/CJs/th_kendyno.jpg) (http://s83.photobucket.com/albums/j313/cjkrause/CJs/?action=view&current=kendyno.jpg)

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j313/cjkrause/CJs/kendyno.jpg (http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j313/cjkrause/CJs/kendyno.jpg)
Title: Re: Dyno tune- 10/2 @ 2- 2007 Pontiac Solstice GXP Auto- www.jotechracing.com
Post by: Imaj on October 02, 2009, 11:48:24 PM: Here are the recorded videos....

http://www.ustream.tv/flash/video/2268581 (http://www.ustream.tv/flash/video/2268581)

http://www.ustream.tv/flash/video/2268650 (http://www.ustream.tv/flash/video/2268650)

http://www.ustream.tv/flash/video/2268513 (http://www.ustream.tv/flash/video/2268513)

Enjoy!
Title: Re: Dyno tune- 10/2 @ 2- 2007 Pontiac Solstice GXP Auto- www.jotechracing.com
Post by: tazz on October 03, 2009, 12:16:13 AM: So the final dyno sheet looks like it shows about 25psi is where the tune for your car does the best as far as peak#'s instead of 26psi correct?
Title: Re: Dyno tune- 10/2 @ 2- 2007 Pontiac Solstice GXP Auto- www.jotechracing.com
Post by: kwtoxman on October 03, 2009, 08:46:26 AM: So it appears the auto is affecting the hp reading on the dyno?

So how much of an increase were the #'s over the baseline runs?

Watched most of it live in the background yesterday....
Title: Re: Dyno tune- 10/2 @ 2- 2007 Pontiac Solstice GXP Auto- www.jotechracing.com
Post by: U4EA on October 03, 2009, 09:15:51 AM: Baseline #'s with GMPP tune, GMPP CAI, Magnaflow exhaust:
213.4(HP) @ 7300 RPM 185.5(Torque) @ 6000 RPM A/F 13.0 A/I 17.2 psi
243.8(HP) @ 4600 RPM 318.7(Torque) @ 3950 RPM A/F 12.1 A/I 24.6 psi
Final #'s
The auto is hard to dyno as it wants to drop back to 3rd at WOT. The sweet spot to prevent this was approx. 3500 RPM @ 85-90 MPH in 4th. Attempted this in Drive and in "I" but was more predictable in 4th at this RPM and speed.
Did have higher #s but also knock and too lean.
This seems to be a good spot for now.
Title: Re: Dyno tune- 10/2 @ 2- 2007 Pontiac Solstice GXP Auto- www.jotechracing.com
Post by: U4EA on October 03, 2009, 10:13:21 AM: Imaj, Thanks for streaming this as it cool to see this again after the fact.

An index for those who don't want to watch the down time waiting for datalog transfers, tune transfers etc.
1st video: 1st 4 min. are baseline runs for Vince and trying to get the car to stay in 4th gear.
   The rest is down time.
2nd video: 1st 29 min. are down time @ 29 min. 1st attempt on 1st tune, 32 min. 2nd attempt
   1st tune, 35 min. 3rd attempt 1st tune, 51 min. 2nd tune, rest down time.
Title: Re: Dyno tune- 10/2 @ 2- 2007 Pontiac Solstice GXP Auto- www.jotechracing.com
Post by: Gentleman Jack on October 03, 2009, 01:39:56 PM: 133 ft lb increase? Are you kidding me??
And WAY lower in the power band.

What does it drive like? Have you melted your tires off already?
Title: Re: Dyno tune- 10/2 @ 2- 2007 Pontiac Solstice GXP Auto- www.jotechracing.com
Post by: Kelu on October 03, 2009, 02:03:30 PM: A dyno showing 213hp as base GMPP and 243hp after the tune for me is great difference :thumbs:. I presume those are wheel horses and not corrected numbers at flywheel. :bdh:

I don't understand that dyno plot at all :huh: , why are pink spots there :rofl:?
Title: Re: Dyno tune- 10/2 @ 2- 2007 Pontiac Solstice GXP Auto- www.jotechracing.com
Post by: kwtoxman on October 03, 2009, 10:03:25 PM: Those are really high rpm #s in the stock measurement. Accurate?

The huge torque difference is weird too. ???
Title: Re: Dyno tune- 10/2 @ 2- 2007 Pontiac Solstice GXP Auto- www.jotechracing.com
Post by: tazz on October 03, 2009, 10:31:49 PM: That's kind of why I would like to see a standard way we need to have the dyno pulls done so we can have accurate data to build upon so we can make it as equal as can be.
Kinda like my other vehicle has a 4 speed auto with OD and I have to tell the dyno operator to turn off OD and run it in Drive up to about 3100 RPM and then go WOT so it stays in 3rd the drive gear and will run in that gear till 5900 RPM. Anything lower than 3100 RPM and it will down shift to 2nd gear and throw off the #'s and the graph.
Title: Re: Dyno tune- 10/2 @ 2- 2007 Pontiac Solstice GXP Auto- www.jotechracing.com
Post by: Gentleman Jack on October 04, 2009, 02:24:35 AM: Sorry if this is a newbie quesiton, but what would a dyno run look like if you just punched it in drive and let it shift thru all the gears and run out to top speed (or close)? Wouldn't that tell peak HP, peak TQ? and give real world numbers similar to SOTP test?
Title: Re: Dyno tune- 10/2 @ 2- 2007 Pontiac Solstice GXP Auto- www.jotechracing.com
Post by: CJ Krause on October 04, 2009, 12:14:29 PM: it was hard for him to get solid numbers because it kept down shifting
he did a great job and he did the best he could.
i am sure if we could lock it in 4th around 2500 and full throttle we would have better numbers
it was fun
Title: Re: Dyno tune- 10/2 @ 2- 2007 Pontiac Solstice GXP Auto- www.jotechracing.com
Post by: tazz on October 04, 2009, 12:41:04 PM: Just ?'s
So is there a way to lock it in 4th so it doesn't downshift ?
Or is there a better gear to pick like "I" that will allow you to lock it in 4th a little better?
Just trying to understand better so if I decide next year to do a dyno pull I can have as much info as possible for the operator and myself.
Title: Re: Dyno tune- 10/2 @ 2- 2007 Pontiac Solstice GXP Auto- www.jotechracing.com
Post by: CJ Krause on October 04, 2009, 01:56:01 PM: vince is working on the auto tranny tune part and locking it
as of now no and we tried i gear