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Title: DDMWorks Short Throw Shifter
Post by: Dave@DDMworks on August 14, 2014, 02:02:29 PM
This is a little project we have had on the back burner for a little bit and finally finished up. As some of you know JPM had a shorter shifter that bolted onto the stock shift mechanism and made the shifter physically shorter, but did not change the pivot and create a true short shifter. What we wanted to do is actually create a shorter throw on the shifter, while still being able to use the stock shifter ball and boot, or any of JPM's shifter boots and shift balls.

To create a true short shifter for the AR-5 manual was a little tricky because of the way the stock shifter works, but we came up with a way that will bolt right into the stock transmission without any modifications to it. Once installed our new short shifter actually decreases the front to back and side to side movement required to shift gears. I will get some video and also some measurements so everyone knows how much shorter. Pricing for the kit will be less than $200.

The first prototypes showed up today and fit in our test transmission like a glove. We will be testing it out on our little tester later today :)

(https://ddmworks.3dcartstores.com/assets/images/TopSecretstuff/Solstice%20Development/Short%20Shifter/download.jpg)

(https://ddmworks.3dcartstores.com/assets/images/TopSecretstuff/Solstice%20Development/Short%20Shifter/untitled%20%282%29.jpg)

(https://ddmworks.3dcartstores.com/assets/images/TopSecretstuff/Solstice%20Development/Short%20Shifter/untitled1.jpg)
Title: Re: DDMWorks Short Throw Shifter
Post by: TomatoSoup on August 14, 2014, 03:05:15 PM
Group buy??? Say yes. Say yes. Say yes   :drool:
Title: Re: DDMWorks Short Throw Shifter
Post by: Wartie on August 14, 2014, 03:15:43 PM
I think he designed it with Elff in mind.
Title: Re: DDMWorks Short Throw Shifter
Post by: Sol Asylum on August 14, 2014, 03:35:39 PM
I think he designed it with Elff in mind.

Well played.

Dave, are the parts made from aluminum and do you have any concerns with wear over time?
Title: Re: DDMWorks Short Throw Shifter
Post by: Dave@DDMworks on August 14, 2014, 03:41:08 PM
Well played.

Dave, are the parts made from aluminum and do you have any concerns with wear over time?

The 2 main inserts are made from steel and the production pieces will be black oxide coated. The main shifter portion is stainless steel, so not worried about wear too much.
Title: Re: DDMWorks Short Throw Shifter
Post by: cdnite on August 14, 2014, 04:34:53 PM
FINALLY!!!!!!!!!!

I hate the feel of the stock shifter!

--Christian
Title: Re: DDMWorks Short Throw Shifter
Post by: SKY888 on August 14, 2014, 05:51:43 PM
Group buy!!!! :)

I'm in!
Title: Re: DDMWorks Short Throw Shifter
Post by: Sly Bob on August 14, 2014, 06:01:05 PM
Hell I want one and I have an auto!    :D
Title: Re: DDMWorks Short Throw Shifter
Post by: Critterman on August 14, 2014, 06:05:40 PM
Okay I volunteer to be a test dummy  :)
Title: Re: DDMWorks Short Throw Shifter
Post by: TomatoSoup on August 14, 2014, 07:14:11 PM
Okay I volunteer to be a test dummy  :)
Delete the word "test"
Title: Re: DDMWorks Short Throw Shifter
Post by: Sol Asylum on August 14, 2014, 07:37:34 PM
Okay I volunteer to be a  dummy  :)

Like this?
Title: Re: DDMWorks Short Throw Shifter
Post by: Critterman on August 14, 2014, 07:56:13 PM
sniff
sniff

You, You cyber bully
Title: Re: DDMWorks Short Throw Shifter
Post by: Sol Asylum on August 14, 2014, 08:04:41 PM
Cheer up Critter, if you look carefully you will see I was picking on someone else.  Don't tell GJ.
Title: Re: DDMWorks Short Throw Shifter
Post by: Sting Ya on August 14, 2014, 10:56:43 PM
Dave any idea time wise when they will be available ? I was going to send in an order with a couple of things that I needed but if you are coming out with them soon and there is a group buy (hell I would get one anyway) I'll hold off . I'm offering up my car for testing if you are interested    :yay: What type or types of shifter knobs will be available ?
Title: Re: DDMWorks Short Throw Shifter
Post by: LiquidPT on August 14, 2014, 11:51:35 PM
So, I have a question. I have the JPM shifter because I needed to change the knob to something more comfortable. But in doing so, the shifter rattles more because the stock weight damper isn't there anymore.

Will this change that in any way?
Title: Re: DDMWorks Short Throw Shifter
Post by: DeepBlueGXP on August 15, 2014, 09:58:02 AM
So, I have a question. I have the JPM shifter because I needed to change the knob to something more comfortable. But in doing so, the shifter rattles more because the stock weight damper isn't there anymore.

Will this change that in any way?
That's why I went back to the stock shifter.
Title: Re: DDMWorks Short Throw Shifter
Post by: numba41 on August 15, 2014, 10:06:04 AM
That's why I went back to the stock shifter.

So, I have a question. I have the JPM shifter because I needed to change the knob to something more comfortable. But in doing so, the shifter rattles more because the stock weight damper isn't there anymore.

Will this change that in any way?

A heavier shift knob will fix the rattle. I gutted my stock shifter and the rattling drove me crazy. I purchased a 400 gram Razo shift knob and no more rattles. I've seen 600 gram shift knobs by TWM Performance but they are expensive. Razo's are around $60.
Title: Re: DDMWorks Short Throw Shifter
Post by: JoshMcMadMac on August 15, 2014, 10:16:18 AM
Count me in for a group buy!
Title: Re: DDMWorks Short Throw Shifter
Post by: wspohn on August 15, 2014, 10:32:42 AM
Very nice machining. I look forward to a description of the installation method using the stock ball and boot.

The shifter isn't bad on the Kappas - if you want an example of one that is much too long, look at the Fiero.  One of the first mods I did on that car.

I'll be interested in hearing exactly what this does for shift feel.
Title: Re: DDMWorks Short Throw Shifter
Post by: Dave@DDMworks on August 15, 2014, 10:34:53 AM
Dave any idea time wise when they will be available ? I was going to send in an order with a couple of things that I needed but if you are coming out with them soon and there is a group buy (hell I would get one anyway) I'll hold off . I'm offering up my car for testing if you are interested    :yay: What type or types of shifter knobs will be available ?

We have test fit the prototypes and they fit great. We are going to be offering up the other prototype to another tester to confirm fitment on another car and also get some feedback on install, then production will begin. Once we begin production we typically get the parts back in 2-3 weeks.

Right now, we will not have a shift ball option ourselves, since the stock shift knob bolts right up without a problem. We will make an adapter in the future to allow other shift knobs though, but no time table on that right now.
Title: Re: DDMWorks Short Throw Shifter
Post by: Gentleman Jack on August 15, 2014, 11:11:32 AM
This thing is sexy. Critter- order one for Shiny. Don't tell her what it is. Just ask for a video of her using it. Then post that video on utube. Just for kicks, send a few batteries with the package. For no reason.
Title: Re: DDMWorks Short Throw Shifter
Post by: Critterman on August 15, 2014, 11:14:59 AM
So Dave, when should I look for it in the mail?   :)
Title: Re: DDMWorks Short Throw Shifter
Post by: LiquidPT on August 15, 2014, 11:51:06 AM
A heavier shift knob will fix the rattle. I gutted my stock shifter and the rattling drove me crazy. I purchased a 400 gram Razo shift knob and no more rattles. I've seen 600 gram shift knobs by TWM Performance but they are expensive. Razo's are around $60.

Huh. I have an MGW knob that I love. Very comfortable and looks similar to the auto shifter. Maybe I need to look around and see if there's a similar knob that's heavier.

EDIT: looked at TWM, and none of those look close to as comfortable... I'll keep searching
Title: Re: DDMWorks Short Throw Shifter
Post by: Sting Ya on August 15, 2014, 01:35:16 PM
Count me in !   :thumbs:
Title: Re: DDMWorks Short Throw Shifter
Post by: cdflint on August 15, 2014, 08:54:50 PM
I have the JPM shifter with the heavier knob and love it but still interested how this turns out.
Title: Re: DDMWorks Short Throw Shifter
Post by: Dave@DDMworks on August 15, 2014, 08:57:02 PM
I have the JPM shifter with the heavier knob and love it but still interested how this turns out.

I actually tested this out today also. We have a couple cars here with the JPM shifter on them, so I tried them on our car. It felt pretty good with them, I liked the ball that one of them had instead of the stock shift knob. Bolted right up though, just like it should :)
Title: Re: DDMWorks Short Throw Shifter
Post by: ChopTop on August 20, 2014, 05:09:36 PM
I dunno, I paid good money for the JPM one.  Yes, it rattles but like it much better than OEM. 

Though I would be interested in knowing how much shorter the throws will be; 10, 20, 25%?

Also be interested in someone offering an auto shifter that look like a manual shifter.

Title: Re: DDMWorks Short Throw Shifter
Post by: TomatoSoup on August 20, 2014, 05:15:20 PM
I dunno, I paid good money for the JPM one.  Yes, it rattles but like it much better than OEM. 
This is  IN ADDITION to the JPM one.  It does not replace it.  Rather, it replaces yet more of the stock shifter bits (that the JPM one did not).
Title: Re: DDMWorks Short Throw Shifter
Post by: ChopTop on August 22, 2014, 04:49:55 PM
This is  IN ADDITION to the JPM one.  It does not replace it.  Rather, it replaces yet more of the stock shifter bits (that the JPM one did not).

So the JPM shifter can be turned into a JPM short throw shifter?
Title: Re: DDMWorks Short Throw Shifter
Post by: Dave@DDMworks on August 22, 2014, 06:13:25 PM
So the JPM shifter can be turned into a JPM short throw shifter?

Yes, already tested it and it works great.
Title: Re: DDMWorks Short Throw Shifter
Post by: elff on August 22, 2014, 07:08:50 PM
I think he designed it with Elff in mind.

I think that test Transmission is my original 5 speed
o yea, F your height joke Wartie.
 :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Also be interested in someone offering an auto shifter that look like a manual shifter.
are you just asking about a different look? Or a short throw to a throw that isn't thrown since it's an auto?
I think your question went over my head
[See what I did there Wartie]
 :poke:  :D

This is pretty cool.  The JPM kit was pimping, now add the real mechanics to it and it will be a roll of the wrist to blast through gears.
Title: Re: DDMWorks Short Throw Shifter
Post by: LiquidPT on August 22, 2014, 11:05:37 PM
Yes, already tested it and it works great.

Does it move the pivot point up, or actually make the shifter shorter (move the knob down)? If so, by how much. I like the position of the knob I have now.

Thanks
Title: Re: DDMWorks Short Throw Shifter
Post by: Gentleman Jack on August 23, 2014, 12:55:12 AM

Does it move the pivot point up, or actually make the shifter shorter (move the knob down)? If so, by how much. I like the position of the knob I have now.

Thanks

Must not comment on last sentence .....
Title: Re: DDMWorks Short Throw Shifter
Post by: Dave@DDMworks on August 23, 2014, 08:57:53 AM
Does it move the pivot point up, or actually make the shifter shorter (move the knob down)? If so, by how much. I like the position of the knob I have now.

Thanks

The short throw shifter does not move the shift knob up or down, it moves the pivot point up.
Title: Re: DDMWorks Short Throw Shifter
Post by: ChopTop on August 23, 2014, 01:42:21 PM
are you just asking about a different look? Or a short throw to a throw that isn't thrown since it's an auto?


(http://www.jpmcoachworks.com/customers/pontiac/solstice/vinsanity/DSC_4132.jpg)

I'm talking about making an auto shift handle made to look more like a manual shifter. JPM used to make a short auto shifter, I'd like to see it taken a step farther with a shift boot made to cover the shift indicator plate. It would work as an auto but have the looks of a manual.  Our 06 is a manual, and our 09 is an auto.

Dave: I'm tentatively in for group buy if one is offered.
Title: Re: DDMWorks Short Throw Shifter
Post by: elff on August 23, 2014, 02:21:00 PM
Aaaaaa
That makes sense now and it looks really sweet
Title: Re: DDMWorks Short Throw Shifter
Post by: cooper1340s on August 24, 2014, 03:34:52 PM
Dave.

When are you going to offer the same thing to those of us who have a V8 with a six speed trans attached? We need a short throw shifter too!!!
Title: Re: DDMWorks Short Throw Shifter
Post by: Johnny_gxp on August 27, 2014, 10:27:36 AM
I'd be in for a group buy once it's in production!
Title: Re: DDMWorks Short Throw Shifter
Post by: Critterman on August 28, 2014, 11:00:34 AM
Hell, I'm still waiting on my test unit for evaluation. 




:)
Title: Re: DDMWorks Short Throw Shifter
Post by: Sol Asylum on August 28, 2014, 11:07:43 AM
Hell, I'm still waiting on my test unit for evaluation. 




:)

Are you still waiting for the double secret ping pong ball mod that Ivy was talking about?
Title: Re: DDMWorks Short Throw Shifter
Post by: Critterman on August 28, 2014, 11:10:25 AM
I don't think so, but who knows
Title: Re: DDMWorks Short Throw Shifter
Post by: Dave@DDMworks on August 28, 2014, 02:31:14 PM
Hell, I'm still waiting on my test unit for evaluation. 




:)

GJ said he sent the unit to you, you are going to have to take it up with him ;) I would send you the test unit that is in my car, but after driving it for awhile, then driving the other cars we have here without it, I don't think the prototype is coming out of my car :)
Title: Re: DDMWorks Short Throw Shifter
Post by: ChopTop on August 28, 2014, 03:22:05 PM
Dave, will this help smooth out the shifting of the AR5?  My JPM shifter gives me more of a direct feeling of shifting, but it didn't change how rough the AR5 has always shifted.
Title: Re: DDMWorks Short Throw Shifter
Post by: TomatoSoup on August 29, 2014, 04:17:08 PM
Dave, will this help smooth out the shifting of the AR5?  My JPM shifter gives me more of a direct feeling of shifting, but it didn't change how rough the AR5 has always shifted.
Have to admit I giggled a bit here.  I know the DDM Dave has 'magic hands' (just ask Ivy!), but there are limits. :)  After all, he's not changing the internals of the transmission.

But let's stop a moment (hah!) and go back to elementary school physics and the theory of levers.  A lever applies 'mechanical advantage' such that the long end moves the short end by amplifying the applied force at the expense of distance of movement.  With a 'short throw' shifter, you have to make the short end longer, and so are effectively moving the pivot point on the lever to make the long end relatively shorter.  Thus, the long end doesn't move as much as it did before to shift gears, but at the expense of increased force needing to be applied to shift.  Thus, it's likely that the gearbox will feel even more 'clunky' and 'notchy' with a short shifter, rather than less so.
Title: Re: DDMWorks Short Throw Shifter
Post by: Dave@DDMworks on August 29, 2014, 04:28:58 PM
Have to admit I giggled a bit here.  I know the DDM Dave has 'magic hands' (just ask Ivy!), but there are limits. :)  After all, he's not changing the internals of the transmission.

But let's stop a moment (hah!) and go back to elementary school physics and the theory of levers.  A lever applies 'mechanical advantage' such that the long end moves the short end by amplifying the applied force at the expense of distance of movement.  With a 'short throw' shifter, you have to make the short end longer, and so are effectively moving the pivot point on the lever to make the long end relatively shorter.  Thus, the long end doesn't move as much as it did before to shift gears, but at the expense of increased force needing to be applied to shift.  Thus, it's likely that the gearbox will feel even more 'clunky' and 'notchy' with a short shifter, rather than less so.

Yeap, simple physics. I love the short shifter now that I have had it on for awhile.
Title: Re: DDMWorks Short Throw Shifter
Post by: Dave@DDMworks on August 29, 2014, 04:32:00 PM
Also, the new short shifter is officially up on the website for ordering. We anticipate that the production batch will be here next Friday or the following Monday. We ordered up a bunch of these and were able to get the price down to $165 for the entire kit, but if you pre-order this weekend you will save an extra 10% off of that - $148.50  :yay:

http://www.ddmworks.com/DDMWorks-Short-shifter_p_484.html

Let me know if you have any questions!
Thanks,
Dave
Title: Re: DDMWorks Short Throw Shifter
Post by: TomatoSoup on August 29, 2014, 05:16:23 PM
ORDERED!! Woot, woot!

So, Dave, I looked at the installation instructs...  Is there a way to get the factory rubber boot off first, so you don't have to cut it?
Title: Re: DDMWorks Short Throw Shifter
Post by: Dave@DDMworks on August 29, 2014, 05:39:01 PM
ORDERED!! Woot, woot!

So, Dave, I looked at the installation instructs...  Is there a way to get the factory rubber boot off first, so you don't have to cut it?

Not easily, there is a ring that is riveted down that holds down the sides of the factory rubber boot. You could do it though by removing the entire plastic around the shifter, then drilling out the rivets, removing the rubber, installing the kit, riveting the rubber back down and then installing back the plastic.
Title: Re: DDMWorks Short Throw Shifter
Post by: Kelu on August 29, 2014, 06:36:31 PM
Not easily, there is a ring that is riveted down that holds down the sides of the factory rubber boot. You could do it though by removing the entire plastic around the shifter, then drilling out the rivets, removing the rubber, installing the kit, riveting the rubber back down and then installing back the plastic.
How about the Sky/GT?
Title: Re: DDMWorks Short Throw Shifter
Post by: Dave@DDMworks on August 29, 2014, 07:02:02 PM
How about the Sky/GT?

Same thing, all of the cars have the same rubber boot in them with the metal ring. Once I do another install here I am going to post up another picture of the boot after install, the next time it will be cleaner, I was honestly a little excited and quick to install that one on our test car ;)
Title: Re: DDMWorks Short Throw Shifter
Post by: Sting Ya on August 29, 2014, 07:54:17 PM
Dave after reading the installation instructions the first thing that came to mind when I got to the part about cutting the rubber boot is to use an exacto knife for a nice clean cut .When I get mine if no one else has done it this way I'll give a heads up as to how it works can't wait to try this out ! Once again thanks for continuing to make great products for our cars     :thumbs:
Title: Re: DDMWorks Short Throw Shifter
Post by: Sting Ya on August 29, 2014, 08:21:14 PM
ORDERED!! Woot, woot!

So, Dave, I looked at the installation instructs...  Is there a way to get the factory rubber boot off first, so you don't have to cut it?
    T.S you beat me to the punch ! so I guess I'm number 2 on the list anyway I was looking at the installation instructions and without taking everything apart I'm going to try an exacto knife to cut the boot .
Title: Re: DDMWorks Short Throw Shifter
Post by: Helios on August 29, 2014, 11:06:20 PM
Ordered. Hope I like it.
Title: Re: DDMWorks Short Throw Shifter
Post by: cdflint on August 30, 2014, 10:04:06 AM
Could... not... resist... Purchase ordered.

Question, instructions call for all purpose grease. I cant believe I'm saying this but how much to grease it up? This install pics look like it is cleaned off. Should you grease up both balls? (Dont TDE or ban me).
Title: Re: DDMWorks Short Throw Shifter
Post by: Gentleman Jack on August 30, 2014, 11:01:45 AM
Best.....legit.....question......EVER
Title: Re: DDMWorks Short Throw Shifter
Post by: Sol Asylum on August 30, 2014, 01:02:00 PM
I would think one would want to incur as little wear as possible with regard to their balls.  But they are your balls so do what you think is best.
Title: Re: DDMWorks Short Throw Shifter
Post by: wspohn on August 30, 2014, 01:03:40 PM
Dave.

When are you going to offer the same thing to those of us who have a V8 with a six speed trans attached? We need a short throw shifter too!!!

Those are already available from various vendors - MTI is one (and at a bit higher price than Dave's). No point reinventing the wheel, DDM has developed this product for the AR5, a transmission that no one else offers performance bits for.

That means we ARE the market, except perhaps for a few Colorado owners stuffing LSx engines into their trucks and looking for such things. (Can't see any Hummer H3 or Isuzu Trooper owners being into this sort of thing).
Title: Re: DDMWorks Short Throw Shifter
Post by: Dave@DDMworks on August 30, 2014, 01:04:37 PM
Could... not... resist... Purchase ordered.

Question, instructions call for all purpose grease. I cant believe I'm saying this but how much to grease it up? This install pics look like it is cleaned off. Should you grease up both balls? (Dont TDE or ban me).

I think we need to start a FAQ section for the install, and that is the first question :)

Seriously though, when you pull out the stock shifter, you will see how much grease is on it, just make the new one look about the same.
Title: Re: DDMWorks Short Throw Shifter
Post by: Helios on August 30, 2014, 01:18:30 PM
I think we need to start a FAQ section for the install, and that is the first question :)

Seriously though, when you pull out the stock shifter, you will see how much grease is on it, just make the new one look about the same.

In other words, grease dem balls!
Title: Re: DDMWorks Short Throw Shifter
Post by: cdnite on August 30, 2014, 01:57:26 PM
The AR5 is also a a upgrade replacement for the Toyotas and other Japanese cars using the r150 series especially the r154 from the Celica, Supra, Soarer, Chaser.

It is also swappable with the AX15 from the Wrangler and some other trucks.

DDM could be selling a ton of these to those guys also!

Also at some point the Colorado/Canyon/H3 had a Core/Hurst short throw shifter for the AR5, but it wouldn't work with the Kappa platform because of tunnel clearance or something...

--Christian
Title: Re: DDMWorks Short Throw Shifter
Post by: cooper1340s on August 30, 2014, 02:27:17 PM
I notice that the question about getting one of these made for the Tremec 6 speed equipped V8 cars is being studiously ignored!
Title: Re: DDMWorks Short Throw Shifter
Post by: cdflint on August 30, 2014, 06:49:59 PM
Good news, my wife said she would help me.
Title: Re: DDMWorks Short Throw Shifter
Post by: wspohn on August 31, 2014, 09:50:34 AM
I notice that the question about getting one of these made for the Tremec 6 speed equipped V8 cars is being studiously ignored!

What would the point be?  Like I said, they are already available in the same price range, so unless DDM wants to compete, why bother?
Title: Re: DDMWorks Short Throw Shifter
Post by: Dave@DDMworks on August 31, 2014, 11:20:04 AM
I notice that the question about getting one of these made for the Tremec 6 speed equipped V8 cars is being studiously ignored!

There are actually a pretty good amount of short shifters available for the T56 already, since yours is a GTO transmission, if you do a search for GTO T56 short shifter, there are plenty of options that pop up. All of the newer V8 swaps we are doing are using the TR6060 transmission and we make a custom shifter for those that is shorter than stock for that one already.

Hope that helps,
Dave
Title: Re: DDMWorks Short Throw Shifter
Post by: ChopTop on September 02, 2014, 10:52:35 AM
I placed this in the cart 3 times this weekend but couldn't get myself to submit (grrr).  Buying a Smoothline hardtop has tapped me out (still waiting for it to be made). 

But still looking forward to reading reviews from those of you who bought a short throw shifter.
Title: Re: DDMWorks Short Throw Shifter
Post by: Gentleman Jack on September 03, 2014, 10:03:23 PM
I'm not sure if this is the right thread for this but...

I'm sitting in the PHX airport with a 2.5 hour layover. I've challenged the bartender to make Rye drinks I've never had. So far I'm up 2-0
He must be an amateur. He started with a Manhattan and went to an Old Fashion. Does he think I'm a ROOKIE?
Title: Re: DDMWorks Short Throw Shifter
Post by: Jackknife on September 09, 2014, 01:55:27 PM
Today's the 9th...are they being shipped yet?
Title: Re: DDMWorks Short Throw Shifter
Post by: Dave@DDMworks on September 09, 2014, 10:09:24 PM
Today's the 9th...are they being shipped yet?

Nope ;) We had a ton of pre-orders for these so we had to have them make a few extra, so they are shipping to us the end of the week. Hopefully you did get the email from Ivy on the update.
Title: Re: DDMWorks Short Throw Shifter
Post by: tailhooker on September 14, 2014, 09:10:16 PM
So..................Hypothetically................If one has the JPM shifter already...............what exactly does this product add?
Title: Re: DDMWorks Short Throw Shifter
Post by: Sol Asylum on September 14, 2014, 09:14:36 PM
With this product you won't move your hand as far during shifts thus faster shifts.
Title: Re: DDMWorks Short Throw Shifter
Post by: wspohn on September 15, 2014, 11:01:41 AM
So..................Hypothetically................If one has the JPM shifter already...............what exactly does this product add?

All the JPM shifter gets you is a different knob and less weight in the ball end, which ironically can apparently result in buzz and vibration the factory knob didn't give.

This shifter changes the geometry of the shifter and gives you shorter throws. 
Title: Re: DDMWorks Short Throw Shifter
Post by: cdflint on September 17, 2014, 05:37:53 PM
I've been zapped by paypal. Meaning something is coming my way.  :drive:
Title: Re: DDMWorks Short Throw Shifter
Post by: critter on September 17, 2014, 06:28:06 PM
All the JPM shifter gets you is a different knob and less weight in the ball end, which ironically can apparently result in buzz and vibration the factory knob didn't give.

This shifter changes the geometry of the shifter and gives you shorter throws.
I don't kin where this comes from whether personal experience or hearsay but I can tell you that I just put in a beautiful red on black JPM (installed by Dave at Werks ) and nothing can further from the feel of what is in my car. I like it better in just about every way than the stock piece. I couldn't let this one go without a rebuttal especially with it being so disparaging. Sometimes I think people post and collect commissions. My point about the Werks installation was that is done professionally and not by someone who thinks they know how to follow instructions. Sometimes I think this attitude of 'I will install everything' leads to some problems and quality concerns not the product itself. My two cents worth.
Title: Re: DDMWorks Short Throw Shifter
Post by: TomatoSoup on September 17, 2014, 09:26:35 PM
I don't kin where this comes from whether personal experience or hearsay but I can tell you that I just put in a beautiful red on black JPM (installed by Dave at Werks ) and nothing can further from the feel of what is in my car. I like it better in just about every way than the stock piece. I couldn't let this one go without a rebuttal especially with it being so disparaging.
Sorry, but I agree with Bill.  The lighter mass in the shaft and knob CAN result in resonance buzzing.  There's a reason the factory put so much mass in the original shifter assembly!

Experienced it myself with my JPM shifter.  It's not disparaging, it's just physics!  After I swapped mine, I felt sure that something was going wrong with the transmission, until I realized what it was. I found I could dampen mine out by filling all the space above the shaft inside the knob, with mastic, and hammering a spacer washer of just the right thickness that I could tighten the knob really well and still align the shift pattern.  No space, no looseness, no resonance.
Title: Re: DDMWorks Short Throw Shifter
Post by: Helios on September 18, 2014, 08:57:13 AM
I too had resonance/ buzzing when I installed my JPM shifter. I contacted JPM Joe about it and he suggested I buy a stainless steel shifter ball to fix the problem. I did make the additional purchase and the additional mass of the stainless ball fixed the problem.
Title: Re: DDMWorks Short Throw Shifter
Post by: wspohn on September 18, 2014, 10:46:02 AM
Sorry, but I agree with Bill. 

You never have to say you are sorry about that, TS!  :thumbs:

Critter - I was surprised that you took my post to be disparaging.  I was simply relating that I had seen reports by customers that observed an issue.  From the subsequent posts that seems to have been confirmed.  I certainly have no animus toward JPM.
Title: Re: DDMWorks Short Throw Shifter
Post by: Critterman on September 18, 2014, 01:44:20 PM
AW hell what did I do now?


 :roll:   I know you mean the other one  :)
Title: Re: DDMWorks Short Throw Shifter
Post by: ChopTop on September 18, 2014, 02:15:41 PM
I love my JPM shifter, but yeah it rattles, but not enough for me to want to go back to OEM. 

Tomato, did you do a write up of the fix?  What is mastic?

To get this tread back on track I'll probably order a short shifter in the future.
Title: Re: DDMWorks Short Throw Shifter
Post by: TomatoSoup on September 18, 2014, 02:33:48 PM
Tomato, did you do a write up of the fix?  What is mastic?
No, sorry, no writeup.

I use mastic as a generic term, but I it looked up for you and was surprised to find:

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mas·tic

/ˈmastik/
noun
noun: mastic; plural noun: mastics; noun: mastic tree; plural noun: mastic trees

1. an aromatic gum or resin exuded from the bark of a Mediterranean tree, used in making varnish and chewing gum and as a flavoring.

2. the bushy evergreen Mediterranean tree of the cashew family that yields mastic and has aromatic leaves and fruit, closely related to the pistachio.
Who knew?

So then I looked in Wikipedia:

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- Mastic (plant resin)
 - Mastic asphalt, or asphalt, is a sticky, black and highly viscous liquid
 - Mastic cold porcelain
 - Mastic, high-grade construction adhesive commonly used to bond ceiling, wall, and floor tiles, plywood panels, concrete, asphalt, leather and fabric.
 - Mastic, waterproof, putty-like paste used in building as a joint-sealer or filler
 - Stone mastic asphalt, deformation resistant, durable surfacing material
I would mean something like #2 or #5.  Anything that's pliable and sticky :)

There.  Aren't you glad you asked?
Title: Re: DDMWorks Short Throw Shifter
Post by: cdflint on September 18, 2014, 07:37:21 PM
Mastic to the seat the other day because it was too hot down here. This week is much cooler and it no stic.
Title: Re: DDMWorks Short Throw Shifter
Post by: Gentleman Jack on September 18, 2014, 09:16:03 PM
Hahahaha
Title: Re: DDMWorks Short Throw Shifter
Post by: Sting Ya on September 19, 2014, 01:47:09 PM
Got my care package today from DDM hoping for some rain so I can install this thing and take a break from stacking wood  :yay:
Title: Re: DDMWorks Short Throw Shifter
Post by: Sting Ya on September 20, 2014, 11:53:42 AM
Installed the shifter last night took a couple of hours because I masked off the counsel and put old towels everywhere so I would not get grease anywhere (an OCD thing) .Install went pretty easy as the directions are easy to follow as usual I did use an Exacto knife to cut out the old rubber boot took my time and got a nice clean cut can't wait to try this thing out !   :drive:     
Title: Re: DDMWorks Short Throw Shifter
Post by: cdflint on September 23, 2014, 07:44:30 PM
My Shifter arrived today. I hope to install this weekend.
Title: Re: DDMWorks Short Throw Shifter
Post by: sallysky on October 04, 2014, 06:24:29 PM
I installed the short shifter today. Took me several hours mostly due to having a hard time getting the ball bearing piece off the end. I had to call Dave twice (thanks Dave) I managed to lose the spring on top of the white piece somewhere between my bench and the car. Used a magnet but no luck. Dave said not having the spring should not be an issue. The other thing that took forever was to drop the shifter into the hole. After about and hour of unsuccessful attempts I put in two screws to hold the metal piece in place and went right in after that. Its a very different feel for me. Its nice but 5th and reverse I need to get used to. All in all love it!

THANKS DDM!!!!!
Title: Re: DDMWorks Short Throw Shifter
Post by: EarthNTX on October 05, 2014, 10:51:09 AM
My shifter is very short. I'm wondering if it was already changed. :drive:
Title: Re: DDMWorks Short Throw Shifter
Post by: Sting Ya on October 05, 2014, 12:15:03 PM
The shifter stays the same it's the shifting pattern that changes
Title: Re: DDMWorks Short Throw Shifter
Post by: DaveOC on October 05, 2014, 12:29:55 PM
The shifter stays the same it's the shifting pattern that changes

With the new DDM shifter, the pattern stays the same, but the distance that the shift knob moves is shorter, both back to front and side to side.

The DDM mod moves the pivot point of the shifter which makes everything above the pivot point move a shorter distance, and everything below the pivot point move a greater distance than before the mod.

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Title: Re: DDMWorks Short Throw Shifter
Post by: Sting Ya on October 06, 2014, 07:07:07 AM
That was my point I just expressed it in the wrong terminology
Title: Re: DDMWorks Short Throw Shifter
Post by: EarthNTX on October 08, 2014, 10:09:38 AM
Got it. :)
Title: Re: DDMWorks Short Throw Shifter
Post by: TomatoSoup on November 03, 2014, 11:18:34 AM
I installed my short shift kit yesterday, but instead of cutting the rubber boot, I "followed the road less-travelled" and drilled out the rivets and removed (and replaced) the boot entirely. 

One side note here, not in DDM's short-shift kit instructions, is which way to install the new "ball holder" piece.  It has pins protruding that are nearer one edge than the other.  You need to put it in with the pins nearer the bottom (transmission side).  Of course I did it the other way first and bent the top plate tightening it down - then had to flatten it again.  Arggh!

Anyway, the "not cutting the boot" method wasn't particularly difficult, certainly not to remove it, but let me first state that I was replacing my 'boomerang' with a painted one, so I had the dash out while I was doing this.  I would guess that keeping the boomerang in place would make the access a bit more difficult.

Took some photos so you can see what's involved...

This first one shows the rubber boot (with boomerang removed) - dash is at the top.  Note I have the JPM shift rod, so this is still in place.  If you have the factory shifter still, you'll need to remove it before this step. The rubber boot is held down with a metal surround plate, attached with 5 rivets (green arrows), 4 of which are reasonably accessible. The rearmost fifth one is much more difficult to reach, being tucked under the metal surround. Ignore the wires at the left, those are my additions - for the seat heaters.  UIPDATE: I forgot to mention that I have the Santana cupholder.  If you have the factory one, you may need to pop that out too, to get to the top right rivet(?)

(http://i949.photobucket.com/albums/ad339/TomatoSoup_GXP/Short%20Shifter%20Boot/20141102_115044_zps2e886a4d.jpg)


This is a photo of that difficult one at the back:

(http://i949.photobucket.com/albums/ad339/TomatoSoup_GXP/Short%20Shifter%20Boot/20141102_115054_zps6345e78e.jpg)


I drilled them all out - using a 3/16" drill bit.  The fifth one was still drill-able, but at an angle, and I had to chisel the remains of it off with a flat screwdriver:

(http://i949.photobucket.com/albums/ad339/TomatoSoup_GXP/Short%20Shifter%20Boot/20141102_121248_zpsfce2acf2.jpg)


Then this is what you see after the boot is removed - at this point you can continue with the shifter replacement:

(http://i949.photobucket.com/albums/ad339/TomatoSoup_GXP/Short%20Shifter%20Boot/20141102_124407_zps44e86b6d.jpg)


Finally this is the whole process done, new shifter and boot replaced. I was going to use 1/2" long #14 sheet metal screws to reattach the boot  (which I think would work) but a phone call with Joe led me to remember I'd inherited an large riveter kit from my Father in Law that included a few 3/16"-barrel rivets -  Yay!  - so I used those.  Note I couldn't get in to that last one and ended up leaving it open.  But the four other rivets seem to hold it down pretty tightly:

(http://i949.photobucket.com/albums/ad339/TomatoSoup_GXP/Short%20Shifter%20Boot/20141102_200305_zpsac66a18a.jpg)

Good luck!
Title: Re: DDMWorks Short Throw Shifter
Post by: wspohn on November 03, 2014, 11:42:06 AM
I suspect that your method will also reduce the slight increase in noise that gets through the slit boot.
Title: Re: DDMWorks Short Throw Shifter
Post by: Sol Asylum on November 03, 2014, 12:09:52 PM
Too bad they don't still make exploding aircraft rivets, you could have gotten that last one with no problems.
Title: Re: DDMWorks Short Throw Shifter
Post by: Helios on November 12, 2014, 09:20:29 AM
Too bad they don't still make exploding aircraft rivets, you could have gotten that last one with no problems.

Those were always fun to use on the F-14. There were areas on that jet that those type of rivets were the only ones you could use to fasten pieces together.
Title: Re: DDMWorks Short Throw Shifter
Post by: Helios on November 12, 2014, 09:24:41 AM
I installed my DDM short throw shifter yesterday. Great new feel to shifter and very noticeable. A little hard to get used to at first because I wasn't sure at times if I had shifted into the correct gear and the throw distance being less. I'm going to go back into my shifter later to seal up the rubber boot with some black 3M 4200 adhesive sealant.
Title: Re: DDMWorks Short Throw Shifter
Post by: cdnite on November 19, 2014, 01:21:35 AM
I thought Riv-nuts and Riv-bolts were amazing but now...

I want exploding rivets!

--Christian
Title: Re: DDMWorks Short Throw Shifter
Post by: Sol Asylum on November 19, 2014, 12:03:03 PM
They actually had a powder charge like a .22 shell and you would drop them in the hole take a torch and heat them up.  The powder would go off and expand the back side of the rivet.
Title: Re: DDMWorks Short Throw Shifter
Post by: cdflint on November 28, 2014, 09:07:03 PM
Holy shifter that's short. I finally set mine today and I love it. It takes a bit to get used to but well worth it. Thanks Dr. Dave.
Title: Re: DDMWorks Short Throw Shifter
Post by: Napi on January 11, 2017, 01:34:40 AM
In the last months I had increasing issues with a rattling noise from my DDM-JPM Combo, even though I did replace the knob for a stainless steel ball.

Are there any other steps to take in order to solve the issue?
Title: Re: DDMWorks Short Throw Shifter
Post by: Helios on January 11, 2017, 08:50:54 AM
In the last months I had increasing issues with a rattling noise from my DDM-JPM Combo, even though I did replace the knob for a stainless steel ball.

Are there any other steps to take in order to solve the issue?

Teflon tape.
Title: Re: DDMWorks Short Throw Shifter
Post by: cdflint on January 11, 2017, 09:02:58 PM
Ditto ^^^
Title: Re: DDMWorks Short Throw Shifter
Post by: Napi on February 09, 2017, 01:27:34 PM
Silly question, but:
Where exactly to put the teflon tape?! :cool: