Author Topic: HP Tuners 2.23 Beta newest release (Read 28299 times)

snaponbob · « **on:** July 23, 2009, 08:09:29 AM »

I received this e-mail overnight and forwarded it to Lyndon - could be could news, huh?

We have posted an updated beta version 2.23 on your customer login page located at HPTuners.com >> Performance At Your Fingertips

This update adds new overboost tables for these applications which can be found under the Engine Diagnostic-Airflow form.

Please Download & install this new version within the next 7 days before the link disolves.

While we try to make our beta software as stable as possible it is possible that bugs may exist.

If you do not feel comfortable using beta software, please use the latest stable public release.

Support for beta software is available ONLY via direct e-mail to support@hptuners.com and install the next stable release as soon as it becomes available for download via your customer login page at HPTuners.com >> Performance At Your Fingertips

Current Known issue(s) with this beta version are as follows

OL eq ration minimum table in E40/E38/E67 files is incorrect case learn is not functional in imperial mode due to the vcm controls panel reading as celcius 2010 Camaro SS Spark/KR histograms are incorrect in the default scanner, however creating a custom histogram for them works fine. Some users have also experienced a scanner disconnect or lockup issue

All of these issues should be fixed in an upcoming beta.

On 2010 Camaro's if you run into a hard start issue upon flashing simply disconnect the battery in the trunk to reset the offending module.

DeepBlueGXP · « **Reply #1 on:** July 23, 2009, 08:30:52 AM »

I take it you downloaded the new version? I'll check my email tonight when I get home. I'm sure Lyndon should've gotten the same email.

snaponbob · « **Reply #2 on:** July 23, 2009, 08:38:32 AM »

Quote from: DeepBlueGXP on July 23, 2009, 08:30:52 AM

I take it you downloaded the new version? I'll check my email tonight when I get home. I'm sure Lyndon should've gotten the same email.

Yup - new version. BUT, they are only sending e-mails to those that sent them e-mails requesting the update. I assume that Lyndon was on the list, but just in case .......

Divingsolo (formely Randy@DDM) · « **Reply #3 on:** July 23, 2009, 09:22:46 AM »

Yep it's there used it already.....bewarned....people are going to start killing their turbos

snaponbob · « **Reply #4 on:** July 23, 2009, 10:18:22 AM »

Quote from: Randy@DDMWorks on July 23, 2009, 09:22:46 AM

Yep it's there used it already.....bewarned....people are going to start killing their turbos

Care to expand on that? I believe Lyndon's cryptic editorial was "underwhelming", and then sent me a file !!!! Waiting for him to tell me what he did.

Here is a question for you Randy -- 'cause I just don't know. It is my understanding that HPT will not read turbo boost beyond 23 psi. First, is that true, and second, beyond installing a gauge (which is lower on my to-do list) how does one really know what the turbo is producing?

spicy3480 · « **Reply #5 on:** July 23, 2009, 10:26:12 AM »

I've had this release for a little while now. The newest tune I am testing is very strong.

Divingsolo (formely Randy@DDM) · « **Reply #6 on:** July 23, 2009, 10:41:32 AM »

Quote from: snaponbob on July 23, 2009, 10:18:22 AM

Care to expand on that? I believe Lyndon's cryptic editorial was "underwhelming", and then sent me a file !!!! Waiting for him to tell me what he did.

Before this new "tool", we (most tuned LNF owner) were pushing the turbo well beyond the flow Map and the turbo will fail at some point when subjected to those stresses and inefficiencies. now people are going to try to push harder. This tool is mainly for those with upgraded turbos, or to push LOWER rpm psi

Quote from: snaponbob on July 23, 2009, 10:18:22 AM

Here is a question for you Randy -- 'cause I just don't know. It is my understanding that HPT will not read turbo boost beyond 23 psi. First, is that true, and second, beyond installing a gauge (which is lower on my to-do list) how does one really know what the turbo is producing?

Until we get the ability to calibrate MAP sensors with HPT, no you'll need an external boost gauge. The stock MAP sensor reads to 255kPa, anything above that is doesn't see

rich71 · « **Reply #7 on:** July 23, 2009, 10:50:58 AM »

On a stock turbo and aftermarket intercooler, how much more boost can be had without knock retard.......would you have to have meth injection to take advantage of increased boost at lower rpms? What should be the rpm cutoff to decrease the boost back to average aftermarket tune values?

elff · « **Reply #8 on:** July 23, 2009, 11:06:00 AM »

Do the Bosch sensors have the same reading limitation?

snaponbob · « **Reply #9 on:** July 23, 2009, 11:51:55 AM »

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Quote from: elff on July 23, 2009, 11:06:00 AM

Do the Bosch sensors have the same reading limitation?

OLD sensors were Bosch (I believe). The NEW Bosch sensors will read beyond 23 PSI as that is what they are for !!! Some folks have said they have seen 25PSI on their DIC with the GMPP sensors and tunes.

DirtyMike · « **Reply #10 on:** July 23, 2009, 12:12:23 PM »

people have also seen 25 w/ oem sensors....

Finaly, I really need this!

elff · « **Reply #11 on:** July 23, 2009, 12:13:28 PM »

I guess it wouldn't make sense to not be able to read what the sensor is actually doing.
I forget what the actually kpa limit is for these but seem to remember it being somewhere in the 300s.
I said exactly what Randy said in a thread on the Sky forum
Get ready for blown turbos in our Kappas

lil goat · « **Reply #12 on:** July 23, 2009, 06:18:37 PM »

I got my copy, now to get my laptop back from my son, he is tuning his GTO with it, and my car back from the dealer I will be set. Lyndon does have the update. He was almost gleeful! He will be working late into the night I am sure.

lil goat · « **Reply #13 on:** July 23, 2009, 07:07:49 PM »

Quote from: elff on July 23, 2009, 11:06:00 AM

Do the Bosch sensors have the same reading limitation?

err ah well no, they are Temperature Manifold Air Pressure Sensors. or TMAP's the old ones were 2.75 BAR the new ones are 3 BAR here is some info, our old TMAP is limited to 255 KPA it a 2.75 BAR, the new one is a 3 Bar that is limited to about 315 KPA now that HP tuners has removed the code. 255 KPA is about 37 psi theoretical, real world is much lower say 25 or so, 315 KPA is about 46 theoretical or around 28 29 real world. These numbers have been seen but after 3 seconds the CEL shuts the boost down, HPT fixed that. The GMPP kit should be a real force to be reckoned with now, can you say BOOOOM! I would be very happy to never exceed 25 but be able to hold it.

MAP Sensor Voltage vs Pressure

A Manifold Absolute Pressure (MAP) sensor lets the ECU know how much pressure is in the intake manifold at any given time. The information the MAP sensor tells the ECU is applied to tables set to deliver the proper IPW (Injector Pulse Width) and Ignition Timing. The MAP sensor will read a pressure and let the ECU know the pressure it is reading by outputting a voltage signal.

elff · « **Reply #14 on:** July 23, 2009, 07:32:09 PM »

Can the stock turbo maintain 25-28 and not go boom after a couple of months?

oldskool · « **Reply #15 on:** July 23, 2009, 07:37:59 PM »

I have the beta, but I'm waiting to install my Hahn IC before i use it. Some people have reported that they cannot boost higher than 23PSI even with overboost defeated, and that a manual boost controler was needed. I'm unclear if they were using the stock sensor for reading boost or not. If the factory boost control solenoid is maxxed out, it makes sense that an MBC is in order. But then so is a mechanical or 4 bar boost gauge...

Uranium-238 · « **Reply #16 on:** July 23, 2009, 09:03:32 PM »

Quote from: elff on July 23, 2009, 07:32:09 PM

Can the stock turbo maintain 25-28 and not go boom after a couple of months?

^^^ What he said. Sounds like great news for those running aftermarket turbos, not sure what it means for a stock turbo.

1LILNDN · « **Reply #17 on:** July 23, 2009, 11:40:23 PM »

Is Lyndon or any other Tuners planning a Group Buy on Tunes any time soon ??? for the MM6 .

lil goat · « **Reply #18 on:** July 24, 2009, 07:21:08 AM »

No group buys, I don't want to see over 25 I just want 25 to hold, you need a limit over 25 to accomplish this. The 2007 factory boost gauges on the Solstice will only go to 23, some of the Sky's go higher some don't the later models go higher. Lyndon has seen in the high 20's from the stock sensors but they won't hold it. The little turbo has a lot of punch, if I can see 25 at 3300 rpm I will be very happy.

DirtyMike · « **Reply #19 on:** July 24, 2009, 03:06:40 PM »

just downloaded beta! now to learn this crap....

do i really need gmpp kit to go higher boost?

snaponbob · « **Reply #20 on:** July 24, 2009, 05:23:15 PM »

Quote from: DirtyMike on July 24, 2009, 03:06:40 PM

just downloaded beta! now to learn this crap....

do i really need gmpp kit to go higher boost?

Pretty much. North of 23 psi for more than a couple seconds and it goes into limp. Even WITH the GMPP package, if you don't know how to adjust ALL the tables needed you'll get detonation, and that is quick death for a turbo engine. A local GXP owner did just that and while no damage so far, the ECM didn't like and he got some CELs to reassure him of his mistakes !!!

DirtyMike · « **Reply #21 on:** July 24, 2009, 07:10:26 PM »

Quote from: snaponbob on July 24, 2009, 05:23:15 PM

Pretty much. North of 23 psi for more than a couple seconds and it goes into limp. Even WITH the GMPP package, if you don't know how to adjust ALL the tables needed you'll get detonation, and that is quick death for a turbo engine. A local GXP owner did just that and while no damage so far, the ECM didn't like and he got some CELs to reassure him of his mistakes !!!

figures.... guess i'll wait for lyndon

rich71 · « **Reply #22 on:** July 27, 2009, 07:53:42 AM »

does hp tuners work with windos vista?..........if i do decide to got with westers, the only lap top i have access to has vista....

lil goat · « **Reply #23 on:** July 27, 2009, 08:18:08 AM »

Yes it works on Vista, and yes you can get over 23 psi with the stock sensors, or should I say Lyndon can. I am waiting for Lyndon. If it is like his last test tune you will need the beta to be able to load the new tune.

snaponbob · « **Reply #24 on:** July 27, 2009, 08:21:39 AM »

He sent me a tune after I got the 2.23 NEW beta which I assume came from HIS 2.23 new beta and not above 23 psi yet. I need to scan it and send it back to him.

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