Author Topic: Bosch E69 theorititical questions (Read 13405 times)

Arabas · « **on:** August 20, 2009, 03:07:35 AM »

Hey all, my kappa is an Opel GT 2007. it has an ECU Bosch E69. below are my questions.
1. how do i pull it out? is it OK if i put it out and then put it back?
2. a Redline, a GXP and an Opel GT (let s say all manual and same year) have the exact same ECU? could i, in example, exchange my ECM with a Redline ECM and still got the car working properly?
3. last but not least, mine is MY2007. could i get an ECM for 2008 model and have my car running properly or would this cause problems. and the combined question, could i get a Redline 2008 ECM and have it on my Opel GT (MY2007) and the car still running properly?

thx in advance for your help

U4EA · « **Reply #1 on:** August 20, 2009, 06:55:46 AM »

1. 2 electrical connectors on top, pull up on handles,as you do the connectors disconnect from ECM.
Yes, some people disconnect the battery first.

2. Yes as far as I know. I have a 2007 GXP auto, purchased a ECM from totaled 2007 Sky Redline auto was able to swap them out but requires 3- 10 minute security learn steps (30 minutes). Mine are E69 also but I believe the service # is what is important to interchange as well auto/manual. Mine are service #12605038, or part #12611652.

3. No, I do not believe year models interchange. I am not sure on this.

lil goat · « **Reply #2 on:** August 20, 2009, 07:15:48 AM »

You can not change the ECM between years or models. All the 2007 ECM's are the same but the tunes are different for each type. GXP, Red Line, Opal. If you got a 2007 GXP ECM Wester's can make it work in any of the 2007 cars, manual or auto but he has to redo the to tune match the car. I have the HPTuner license to read and write to every 2007 GXP, yet I can not read and write to a 2007 Red Line, even though they are the same part. The 2007 ECM will not work in a 2008, Lyndon tried it. I have a spare 2007 ECM and we did lots of testing with it, he was able to tune it and use it in a 2007 Sky, or GXP, and in an auto or manual.

Kelu · « **Reply #3 on:** August 20, 2009, 07:18:19 AM »

Arabas: more info about ECM but with a different aim:
http://kappaperformance.com/forum/index.php?topic=1961.msg21504

Arabas · « **Reply #4 on:** August 20, 2009, 08:08:30 AM »

thx for your answers guys!
so if i understood correctly it is not possible to get a GXP or Redline ECM for my Opel GT.
BUT, Westers can get a new GXP 2007 ECM add his race tune according to my other mods too and send it to me ready for use on my Opel GT. this way i will have my stock ECM and a tuned one by Westers and i can swap.
is that right lil goat?

DeepBlueGXP · « **Reply #5 on:** August 20, 2009, 08:30:09 AM »

A complete re-write of the software of any 07 ECM should be possible. The 08/09 ECMs are a different part number and software so they wil not work. Your Opel GT dealer could flash it to stock for you. There was a ECUoutlet on the web that would sell ECMs with your stock tune on them.

A lot of people purchase separate ECMs to do exactly what you are planning on doing.

Arabas · « **Reply #6 on:** August 20, 2009, 08:44:11 AM »

DeepBlueGXP, i am afraid that this ecuoutlet (if we are talking about the same one) hasn t been much of a help....
i quote my question to them and their response.
is there any other online store (or even better supporting vendor of this forum) that could get a 2007 Opel GT ECM?

My question
Hello, > i saw at your web site the Bosch E69 for GM 2.0L turbo for 2008-2010 models.> do you have an ECU for Opel GT 2.0L turbo model year 2007 (that s the european> version for Saturn Sky redline). i checked my ECU, writes E69 as well,> assempled in Mexico.> if you have it, can you pls let me know of the price?> > BR> George

Their full response
Unfortunately we don't sorry the 2007 ECM is slightly different internally.

DeepBlueGXP · « **Reply #7 on:** August 20, 2009, 08:49:05 AM »

They probably never explored the Opel GT selling option. While at the plant tour, the engineers said that the only differences were some values in the software that took off the speed limiters and other emission things based on European standards.

Arabas · « **Reply #8 on:** August 20, 2009, 09:06:04 AM »

Their price is very good though, i wish i could have a 2007 ECU at that price, just for spare or to have a tune on it while keeping my stock one...

do you think i should contact Westers?

U4EA · « **Reply #9 on:** August 20, 2009, 11:00:20 AM »

Quote from: Arabas on August 20, 2009, 08:08:30 AM

thx for your answers guys!
so if i understood correctly it is not possible to get a GXP or Redline ECM for my Opel GT.
BUT, Westers can get a new GXP 2007 ECM add his race tune according to my other mods too and send it to me ready for use on my Opel GT. this way i will have my stock ECM and a tuned one by Westers and i can swap.
is that right lil goat?

You should be able to locate a 2007 ECM from a GXP or Redline that Westers can reprogram to work in your car. If you can locate a 2007 ECM from a Opel GT you should be able to swap ECMs with no changes as long as it is auto/auto or manual/manual. But of course you want to upgrade whatever you get to Westers tune.
I located my spare ECM on www.car-part.com for $100.00 U.S. including shipping.

lil goat · « **Reply #10 on:** August 20, 2009, 11:06:07 AM »

Lyndon happens to have a 2007 ECM in stock, it's mine. See what you can work out with him, I am willing to sell it, if I remember right I got it for $120 from www.car-part.com

Arabas · « **Reply #11 on:** August 20, 2009, 11:24:00 AM »

Hey Lil goat, thx a lot on this one!!!
i will let you know when i figure this out with Westers!

lil goat · « **Reply #12 on:** August 20, 2009, 11:36:05 AM »

Lyndon said he can take care of you he has the go ahead from me.

Arabas · « **Reply #13 on:** August 20, 2009, 12:33:41 PM »

Quote from: lil goat on August 20, 2009, 11:36:05 AM

Lyndon said he can take care of you he has the go ahead from me.

thx lil goat! i already sent a ton of questions to Lyndon! he will either just delete my mail or will get old reading it.... i just want to evaluate my tune options and this one looks promising

Kelu · « **Reply #14 on:** August 20, 2009, 02:06:37 PM »

Quote from: Arabas on August 20, 2009, 12:33:41 PM

thx lil goat! i already sent a ton of questions to Lyndon! he will either just delete my mail or will get old reading it.... i just want to evaluate my tune options and this one looks promising

Whatta hell George, you wanna come and make you a visit?

You didn't saw Lyndon is a jewel for us? Stop doing that or I will stop you

j/k

I bet you can find more than half answers to your questions in this forum. Let Lyndon do his magic and not age in front of the email. As you can see Lil goat is one of the most knowledgeable and there are some other too and you have me for your particular case.

At least share the info for the others to avoid Lyndon answer to same questions over and over again.

P.S. Sorry but you catch me fast from behind, that's why I was so angry on you

lil goat · « **Reply #15 on:** August 20, 2009, 02:32:53 PM »

Lyndon has tendency to read emails really fast, and sometimes not all questions get answered, I will be happy to help if I can, and don't forget DeepBlueGXP, he has installed more Wester's tunes than anyone I know of. Spikey is another resource, he has been working with Lyndon a long time as well. Snaponbob has had the no cat tune longer than anyone else I know of, except Lyndon. Lots of people who can help.

Arabas · « **Reply #16 on:** August 20, 2009, 04:26:17 PM »

Hat off to Lyndon the great! he just dropped me an email of five words and he caught me by surprise...
i ordered my car January 2007 and had it delivered October 2007. never had thought of checking my vin.... the 10th digit is 8, which means it is a 2008 model!(??????????????????????????????).....
how is that possible???
i guess i should be looking for a 2008 ECU now...(lol)

DeepBlueGXP · « **Reply #17 on:** August 20, 2009, 04:30:25 PM »

So your vin has a 8Y###### in it?

2008 started production in July 07, congrat on your 2008 Opel GT

I updated your "My Ride"

p.s. look in your drivers door frame, there is a label with the build date, usually 07/2008 or something.

Arabas · « **Reply #18 on:** August 20, 2009, 04:40:28 PM »

Correct DeepBlueGXP...That was a good move, to change the year on my date... i had the laugh of my life...

i will check my drivers door frame tommorrow morning (it s almost midnight here)...
so i am definetely looking for a 2008 ECM.

i will post the questions i made to Lyndon, so that any of you guys and gals willing, can help me ..

Here are the questions i sent to Lyndon:
I am interested in increasing my car's performance but at the same time I need reliability, reliability and reliability.
Which version do you suggest: custom or race tune? What will the HP and torque gain in each. How much will it cost for each tune (including ECM and transportation to Greece)?
My other mods are K&N drop in filter, and waiting to get my Solo HF cat and Solo Mach Shorty cat back and dejon throttle body elbow in a few days.
Since I will be keeping my OEM ECM, do I lose free updates?
Since I do not have someone with an HPTuner near here, what is the case if I get a CEL ?
Will I be able to switch ECMs on the fly, or is it something that requires time and is harmful for the car?

Kelu · « **Reply #19 on:** August 20, 2009, 09:31:10 PM »

I will try to answer, please correct me if I'm wrong.

Quote from: Arabas on August 20, 2009, 04:40:28 PM

Which version do you suggest: custom or race tune? What will the HP and torque gain in each.

Race tune all the way, I never read about ANY reliability issue about it.

Quote from: Arabas on August 20, 2009, 04:40:28 PM

Since I will be keeping my OEM ECM, do I lose free updates?

Don't think so, you will have to ship the tuned ECM to and back Lyndon when you will want an update of your tune.

Quote from: Arabas on August 20, 2009, 04:40:28 PM

Since I do not have someone with an HPTuner near here, what is the case if I get a CEL ?

I never had or heared someone having CEL because of the tune.

Quote from: Arabas on August 20, 2009, 04:40:28 PM

Will I be able to switch ECMs on the fly, or is it something that requires time and is harmful for the car?

Yes. Take 30 seconds to remove two simple plugs.

P.S. oh boy, please tell you wife you don't even know the year of your car and ask her to teach you about cars

Arabas · « **Reply #20 on:** August 21, 2009, 02:29:45 AM »

hahaha!

thx for your answers Kelu!!

lil goat · « **Reply #21 on:** August 21, 2009, 08:32:41 AM »

There has never been a reliability issue with any of Lyndon's tunes, the latest tune is the Super Sport or SS, that is the one you want, it's what Kelu has. It wasn't named yet when he got it. I was getting confused so I named the new tune and Lyndon approved, it is a major update. The HP we will see tomorrow at the dyno.

Arabas · « **Reply #22 on:** August 21, 2009, 08:41:16 AM »

so you are the official Westers products godfather lil goat!!!! sweet!!!
really looking forward to your numbers at the dyno!
we had a conversation with Lyndon and he decided that since mny car is 08, i have to send him somehow my stock tune so he can work on it... can t find an HP tuner though...
that ecuoutlet said they had never done an Opel GT 08 but they suppose that it will probably work on my car (i mean an extra ECM)...

Thx a lot lil goat on your help for finding a 07 ECM, i appreciate it !

lil goat · « **Reply #23 on:** August 21, 2009, 09:31:19 AM »

Lyndon is the best, he and I are just friends, we don't only talk about cars believe it or not. I just asked for a name to differentiate what people had on there cars. This way when I post a dyno sheet it is easy to know which tune I was running. I try and make things simple when I can, Lyndon is a master tuner but marketing is not his best thing. I am more like a Tuna than a tuner but I am a pretty good salesman when I want to be. If I can help sell a tune for Lyndon it will only just begin to payback Lyndon for all he has done for me.

Arabas · « **Reply #24 on:** August 21, 2009, 01:24:53 PM »

it used to be an old custom in Greece that the godfather would decide what the name of the children would be. that s what i meant . SS is a cool name! nice inspiration!

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