Topic: Kagem's GT dynos, Trifecta tune

[2.0 tspeed]

I did lol I phone fluke

[Kelu]

The large variable is, as we know, two different dynos.

He put down 360 ft-lbs at 3200rpm with 230 ft-lbs at 6000rpm, which is high for my point of view, smells like happy dyno to me.
Any stock tune run, Kagem?


Arabas do a dyno day and make sure you have a stock Opel GT too.

[pantherqs]

Trifecta is insanely overrated imo.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c18ezMjW87k

Cobalt I just finished tuning, 19 pounds, conservative timing, safe AF.  And it pulls away from the tuned balt the whole time.  Trifecta balt was running with lights on.

[snaponbob]

That was me yes I used 93 oct and it was trifecta I'm still waiting to get on the dyno to see what I've gained from my dp and new tune

How about posting the dyno run you DID do.

[kennysabarese]

Trifecta is insanely overrated imo.

Cobalt I just finished tuning, 19 pounds, conservative timing, safe AF.  And it only pulls harder on the trifecta tuned balt in the top end.

That's where the car needs the most help, on the top end in the revs.

[pantherqs]

Yeah, I worded that badly.  It gets the trifecta balt outta the hole, and just keeps on pulling away from it the whole time.  The trifecta one had the lights on.

[2.0 tspeed]

Trifecta is not overrated I have  proved it plenty of times btw I'll post dyno graph when I get home in a hour

[pantherqs]

Trifecta is not overrated I have  proved it plenty of times btw I'll post dyno graph when I get home in a hour

In your opinion, no.  In mine, yes.  I'll throw a competently hpt tuned lnf against a trifecta tune any day of the week.  Key word, competently.  The amount of toolsheds running around with HPT nowadays is astounding.

[2.0 tspeed]

[2.0 tspeed]

In your opinion, no.  In mine, yes.  I'll throw a competently hpt tuned lnf against a trifecta tune any day of the week.  Key word, competently.  The amount of toolsheds running around with HPT nowadays is astounding.

you should see the trifecta tuned 30psi cobalt against lambo vid btw im not saying hpt sucks or is inferior eaither just to clarify.

[Gentleman Jack]

hpt vs trifecta vs anything else, all in the eye (butt) of the beholder.  depends on how far anyone wants to push the envelope.  All can accomplish the same thing, using some different methods.

Now, back to the task at hand,

A before and after dyno????????  It is the only real comparison.  End results not meaningful without a starting point.

GJ

[Arabas]

this topic wasn t meant to be a comparison between Trifecta and HPT ot Westers or any other tune.
If Kagem had EDS, or BSR, or enything else, he would still have the GT dyno'ed and i would still post his dynos.
the reasons why Kagem and I and a bunch of other people chose Trifecta is another topic and if someone wishes to know, i would be happy to discuss.

i wasn t expecting any dynosheet to know that Kagem's car is one of the strongest GT's (bone stock other than the tune), we have done several runs with other GTs and other cars and i have seen how powerfull it is.

this dyno serves as an indication of what levels of power and torque he currently has.

GJ, i am sorry, Kagem was so excited, that he forgot to do a before dyno (or a cruise button on dyno).
Slowsol, i wish your dyno wasn't so smoothed out, would love to see how it waves and peaks. great hp though!!!

[MEGAS]

if slowsol's black dyno line is the stock one then no wonder why he puts down 302whp on tune.
His stock is 232whp which is pretty high for an LNF IMHO...!
Kagem's figures are great,almost too good to be true and my humble opinion is that this spike of torque in only 100rpms,going up to 490nm,is a bit of danger to some internal parts.
BTW,i think he dynoed at DIN 700020 which gives abt 3-4% more instead of ECE protocol.
But no big difference.
I'd really wanted the dyno operator to use smoothing factor 2 or 3 instead of 5,just to see graph lines in more detail,now he some sort of smoothed out the lines.

All in all,i firmly believe that our turbo is getting out of its usefull compressor map areas to produce those gains,i'm preparing something on this and would love to share it with u later.

[Arabas]

All in all,i firmly believe that our turbo is getting out of its usefull compressor map areas to produce those gains,i'm preparing something on this and would love to share it with u later.

you can start sharing it now Megas!!!

[MEGAS]

when it's ready pal.....

[Kelu]

A stock tune dyno run would helped a lot of clearance of this subject.

MEGAS: Good posting
I tried to present new accomplishments when they are done, but Arabas convinced me to do it before is done (see my nitrous topic as a good example) and I can't say I regret following his advice. Soo, shoot

[MEGAS]

i'm afraid we're going to draw wrong conclusions if we don't have the correct flow map of our turbo...
our turbo is K04-2277 .
I'm not so sure that the map we've seen in the net,thus far,is the correct one..!

[Kelu]

Megas: compressor map will give us more headaches than we have now, let's say we have the correct one, following instances might come:
a) we make less power than is stated on the compressor map then we can blame the other parts in the system (ic, ic pipes, etc) for the loss
b) we make more than is stated on the compressor map and we can put this on the fact that we have a proper system around the turbo

Besides that we can't measure the Pressure Ratio properly neither the airflow. So, I would say to drop the idea sticking compressor map in this equation.

As long we don't measure our engines to an engine dyno, everything else is just a guess.

[MEGAS]

but thw whole picture depends on wether we have the correct map or not.
if it's the correct then we can justify(maybe)that with 2bar boost it will be out of the choke line.
If it's the wrong one then maybe it can flow more than we thought and thus 2 bar are attainable.

For the time being i'm gonna agree with you that we do have the correct one.
Fact is,you very well put it written in your post,that maybe we have a good system around the turbo....the joke here is that kagem has a bone stock system around his turbo(exhaust,filters ic etc..)

[kennysabarese]

If you wanna know where the turbo efficiency is, keep turning up the boost until you don't get anymore power. Then you will know

[Kagem]

This dyno was made with the car only having a tune and a high flow muffler. Recently i also changed the cat with solo's high flow cat. Except from the noise that is louder now, i saw no difference in performance or power gain, i can almost say i feel weaker. Is this possible? I expected the car to go mad with the high flow cat, and instead i feel i was faster before. What are the chances of that fact, do i have to update the tune as to get advantage of the new cat? Opinions needed, thank you in advance....

[kennysabarese]

You may feel less of the initial rush of g forces because the turbo may be spooling faster.

So instead of nothing nothing nothing BANG!

You get nothing something something LESS BANG!

Make sense?

[Kelu]

do i have to update the tune as to get advantage of the new cat?

definitely

http://www.kappaperformance.com/forum/index.php?topic=3189.0

P.S. catless or solo high flow downpipe it was almost same when the guys did a dyno day back in 2009 on an eddy dyno.

[Kagem]

And what happened back then in the dyno Kelu?
Kenny sorry man but i make no sense at all....

[LatinVenom]

I think he said no gains were found.