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A little more on the never ending battle - From Edmunds dot com
« on: October 08, 2010, 01:37:33 PM »
Stop Changing Your Oil
Breaking the 3,000-Mile Habit
By Philip Reed, Senior Consumer Advice Editor and Ronald Montoya, Consumer Advice Associate
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Oil chemistry and engine technology have evolved tremendously in recent years, but you'd never know it from the quick-change behavior of American car owners. Driven by an outdated 3,000-mile oil change commandment, they are unnecessarily spending millions of dollars and spilling an ocean of contaminated waste oil.

Although the average car's oil change interval is around 7,800 miles — and as high as 20,000 miles in some cars — this wasteful cycle continues largely because the automotive service industry, while fully aware of the technological advances, continues to preach the 3,000-mile gospel as a way to keep the service bays busy. As a result, even the most cautious owners are dumping their engine oil twice as often as their service manuals recommend.

After interviews with oil experts, mechanics and automakers, one thing is clear: The 3,000-mile oil change is a myth that should be laid to rest. Failing to heed the service interval in your owner's manual wastes oil and money, while compounding the environmental impact of illicit waste-oil dumping.

Scared Into Needless Service
Part of the blame for this over-servicing lies in our insecurities about increasingly complicated engines that are all but inaccessible to the average driver. Pop open the hood of a modern car, and a mass of plastic covers wall off the engine. On some vehicles, the only thing an owner can easily access is the oil cap.

"Vehicles are so sophisticated that oil is one of the last things that customers can have a direct influence over," said Matt Snider, project engineer in GM's Fuels and Lubricants Group. "There's maybe some feeling that they're taking care of their vehicle if they change their oil more often."

The 3,000-mile myth is also promoted by the quick lube industry's "convenient reminder" windshield sticker. It is a surprisingly effective tool that prompts us to continue following a dictate that our fathers (or grandfathers) drummed into our heads: It's your duty to change your oil every 3,000 miles — or your car will pay the price. But as former service advisor David Langness put it, the 3,000-mile oil change is "a marketing tactic that dealers use to get you into the service bay on a regular basis. Unless you go to the drag strip on weekends, you don't need it."

Because busy car owners seldom read their owner's manuals, most have no idea of the actual oil change interval for their cars. And so they blindly follow the windshield reminder sticker, whether it's an accurate indicator of the need for an oil change or not. "I just go by the sticker in the windshield," one well-to-do, educated Denver Lexus owner said. "Otherwise, how would I know when to change it?"

A career Navy mechanic who bought an Edmunds.com long-term car just shrugged when he was told that the vehicle had safely gone 13,000 miles between oil changes. "I'll just keep changing the oil every 5,000 miles," he said. "It's worked well for me in the past."

Our oil change addiction also comes from the erroneous argument that nearly all cars should be serviced under the "severe" schedule found in the owner's manual. In fact, a quiz on the Web site maintained by Jiffy Lube International Inc. (owned by petrochemical giant Shell Oil Company) recommends the severe maintenance schedule for virtually every kind of driving pattern.

The argument that most people drive under severe conditions is losing its footing, however. A number of automakers, including Ford and GM, have contacted Edmunds data editors to request that the maintenance section of Edmunds' site substitute the normal maintenance schedule for the severe schedule that had been displayed.

About the only ones that really need a 3,000-mile oil change are the quick-lube outlets and dealership service departments. In their internal industry communications, they're frank about how oil changes bring in customers. "Many people...know when to have their oil changed but don't pay that much attention to it," said an article in the National Oil and Lube News online newsletter. "Take advantage of that by using a window sticker system [and] customers will be making their way back to you in a few short months."

Another National Oil and Lube News article tied the frequency of oil changes to success in pushing related products and services. For a midsize SUV, the stepped-up oil change intervals will bring in $1,800 over the life of the car, the article says. "A few extra services [or oil changes] can go a long way toward increasing the amount of money a customer will spend during the lifespan we estimated here," the article concludes.

There is more here:  http://www.edmunds.com/ownership/maintenance/articles/164686/article.html?mktcat=nl-leads_standard&kw=oct2010+main+story&mktid=nl60417831&msite=w&om_u=NsfWaQ&om_i=_BMr0BSB8VHihbY
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Re: A little more on the never ending battle - From Edmunds dot com
« Reply #1 on: October 08, 2010, 04:09:14 PM »
Great article John!

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Re: A little more on the never ending battle - From Edmunds dot com
« Reply #2 on: October 08, 2010, 11:12:10 PM »
My Brother bought a New 1989 Dodge w/a cummings diesel and was changing the oil every 3,000 miles. He was talking to a service tech and told him  how often . and the guy said your throwing money away. It held 20 quarts and started changing every 10,000 miles ,He just sold the truck last year for 3,500 $ only cause somebody hit him and the repair cost was more then the truck was worth. 289,000+ miles on the motor .they gave it a Salvage Title .The Buyer bought it for the Motor.
21years old . Oil will last forever by changing the filter and just keeping the oil up to level.
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Re: A little more on the never ending battle - From Edmunds dot com
« Reply #3 on: October 09, 2010, 12:19:06 AM »
Filtration of the oil is the key as well as a good quality oil synthetic or otherwise.  The filtration of the oil really makes or breaks the oil as well as heat which breaks down the oil.  Heat not so much a problem with synthetic oils but all oils get contaminated by the combustion process and really needed to have a excellant filtration to extend the oils life.  If the Sol were larger Id try to install a micron filtration by pass system that is used on gas and diesel trucks.  Amsoil used to sell a filtration by pass system as well as a few others but they were mainly for fleet gas and diesel trucks and they worked wonders as they kept the oil filtered so fine that the soot particles in the oil would be filtered out as well as water and any other contaminates and keep the oil good for over 20K miles on regular dino oil.  
TF Purifiner used to make several sizes and there smallest size would have probably worked for the Sol but not sure what happened to them or if there still around.
« Last Edit: October 09, 2010, 12:30:49 AM by tazz »

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Re: A little more on the never ending battle - From Edmunds dot com
« Reply #4 on: October 09, 2010, 12:40:47 AM »
They're still around, with a different name:

http://www.puradyn.com/
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