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New Product - Oil Catch Can
« on: November 17, 2010, 09:19:38 PM »
All of the testing, prototyping and production are done and the final product is here.

As most of you know, we are seeing an increasing amount of oil residue in the intake tracts, turbos, charge tubes and intercoolers. We have encountered this problem with the boosted engines in the Solstice, Sky and Opel GT. The oil residue that is showing up in the intake tract over time starts to work its way through the turbo, into the intake pipes and intercooler. As the oil coats the inside of the intercooler, performance starts to decrease. Also this residue can build up on the MAF sensor (2.4L Supercharged or Turbo) the MAP sensor (2.0L) and also deposit on the valves of the engine. The factory did try to integrate a way to catch this oil in the 2.0L cars into the valve cover, but we have still been seeing the oil residue on even stock cars.

Most people do not know why they need a catch can on their cars, and the simple answer is pressure. As the combustion process happens in the cylinders a certain amount of blow by happens, which along with other factors builds up pressure inside of the valve cover. This pressure needs a place to go, and so the factory has air lines designed to get air into the valve cover and out. Air does not travel in and out at the same time, so in the 2.0L cars there is a check valve on one tube to only allow air to go in, and then an integrated baffle in the valve cover to help collect the oil vapor present when the air leaves the valve cover. Unfortunately this check valve is leaking on some cars and allowing oil to collect in the intake tract. Other tuned cars that are producing more power than stock have more blow by and thus create even more pressure in the valve cover and make the condition worse.

What we came up with to resolve this problem is a simple catch can made specifically for the cars, that bolts in simply using stock mounting points. The box is packed internally with stainless steel mesh to help the oil collect in the box, and with a huge capacity of almost 3/4 quart, you will not need to empty the can very often. The integrated sight glass on each catch can will let you know when it is getting full and the removable drain plug allows simple draining.

We recommend hooking the catch can up to the line coming off of the plastic intake that goes to the middle of the valve cover on most cars. This line is the one with the integrated check valve in it. The way this works is that without that check valve in place air can go in both directions through the catch can, which allows 2 paths for the valve cover to get air in and out. This allows the stock integrated baffle system in the valve cover to catch the oil vapor, and the catch can catches the other vapor. Some highly modified cars may need to run both lines from the valve cover through the catch can, but the above setup works with most stock turbo cars.

Price is $140 for the catch can.

First 20 people that use the coupon code - KAPCAN get $20 off of their order  :thumbs:

Link to order - http://www.ddmworks.com/solstice/engine/oil_catch_can.html

Let me know if you have any other questions!
Dave

Below is a picture of a pre-production install - actual catch cans are just a bit different, I will get some pics up very soon of a production install.



« Last Edit: November 17, 2010, 09:31:31 PM by Dave@DDMworks »
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Re: New Product - Oil Catch Can
« Reply #1 on: November 17, 2010, 11:25:26 PM »
Dave   Can I get (1) in black Starburst?   I will be ordering it After work on Thursday along with fenders  let me know about color choice.   Bobby
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Re: New Product - Oil Catch Can
« Reply #2 on: November 18, 2010, 01:25:13 AM »
Another home run for the good people at DDMWorks! I think the C.C.  would look great on my 2.4 Stage 3 (even if it`s just for bling) What do you think Dave





 
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Re: New Product - Oil Catch Can
« Reply #3 on: November 18, 2010, 09:04:10 AM »
Dave   Can I get (1) in black Starburst?   I will be ordering it After work on Thursday along with fenders  let me know about color choice.   Bobby

No problem Bobby! We will do that for you, should look great with the valve cover.

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Re: New Product - Oil Catch Can
« Reply #4 on: November 18, 2010, 09:04:57 AM »
Another home run for the good people at DDMWorks! I think the C.C.  would look great on my 2.4 Stage 3 (even if it`s just for bling) What do you think Dave

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Got your email also, and we will get one installed and ready for your pickup on Friday!

Thanks for the order!
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Re: New Product - Oil Catch Can
« Reply #5 on: November 18, 2010, 09:56:53 AM »
Dave,

So you are recommending this for 2.4L S/C cars due to oil blow by? Is the OCC going to be added to the S/C kits in the near future? Or will it be made as a recommended option to the S/C kit? (sort of like the hose clamps)
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Re: New Product - Oil Catch Can
« Reply #6 on: November 18, 2010, 10:08:17 AM »
Dave,

So you are recommending this for 2.4L S/C cars due to oil blow by? Is the OCC going to be added to the S/C kits in the near future? Or will it be made as a recommended option to the S/C kit? (sort of like the hose clamps)

It is a recommendation on the 2.4L boosted cars, but not required. The 2.4L supercharged cars get no where near as much as build up as the 2.0L cars.

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Re: New Product - Oil Catch Can
« Reply #7 on: November 18, 2010, 02:47:15 PM »
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Re: New Product - Oil Catch Can
« Reply #8 on: November 18, 2010, 03:15:28 PM »
I have read pretty good about OCC also debated about our engines in this forum but still unsure how this is connected to our factory lines.

Can someone help me to understand how these 2 lines will go to the OCC and back to their connectors?
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Re: New Product - Oil Catch Can
« Reply #9 on: November 18, 2010, 03:20:55 PM »
i really want this OCC but i want to connect both lines to an OCC but i can t see how it can be done with only two hoses on the OCC.
if i understood correct, DDM proposes it for the line that has the check valve, but in highly modified engines (what mods are considered high??) Dave says you can connect all four lines to that, but as written in another thread i cannot understand how this could work.
i hope to clarify this and buy this as the Xmas present for my GT.

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PS 2 Kelu, you have it wrong. it s FROM the intake and TO the turbo. the arrows should be reversed to show true flow
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Re: New Product - Oil Catch Can
« Reply #10 on: November 18, 2010, 03:40:05 PM »
DBG, i think Dave proposes to connect the OCC to the other line (from the intake to the valve cover). am i wrong?

"We recommend hooking the catch can up to the line coming off of the plastic intake that goes to the middle of the valve cover on most cars. This line is the one with the integrated check valve in it."
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Re: New Product - Oil Catch Can
« Reply #11 on: November 18, 2010, 03:45:21 PM »
Thanks Arabas, I missed that line.  I deleted my other post

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Re: New Product - Oil Catch Can
« Reply #12 on: November 18, 2010, 03:53:36 PM »
to be honest, i had to read it 4-5 times to get it, coz i thought it would be reasonable to place it on the line from the crankcase to the turbo.
imho, i believe this is a product DDM has to promote answering a lot of questions since there seems to be a fuss about the OCC and the different lines of the LNF.
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Re: New Product - Oil Catch Can
« Reply #13 on: November 18, 2010, 04:14:14 PM »
Hopefully this will answer some of your questions, please excuse the quick picture mods:



The tube that connects from the air intake closest to the filter and goes to the middle of the valve cover is usually the supply for fresh air to the valve cover (tube 1). The other tube coming from the front of the valve cover to the intake closest to the turbo is where the air from the valve cover usually goes (tube 2).

What we have seen here is that the tube 1 with its check valve is supposed to only allow air to go from the intake to the valve cover. That tube just dumps into the valve cover with no baffling inside of the valve cover. This means that if the check valve fails oil goes into the intake. Also what appears to be happening is that oil vapor gets into tube 1 and condenses and is able to get past that check valve. By getting rid of tube 1 and running it through a catch can the oil vapor can accumulate there and also gives and extra path for pressure from the valve cover to get out. So flow through the other tube is reduced also, which allows it to do a better job also, a win win situation.

Hope that helps,
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Re: New Product - Oil Catch Can
« Reply #14 on: November 18, 2010, 04:41:56 PM »
so, tube 1 with OCC is tranformed from an one way tube to a safe two way tube (air to the crank and vapor to the intake).
My question is: isn t it safer to also put a second OCC to tube 2? oil may get directly into the turbo-ic-etc from tube 2.
will you be offering a dual OCC with 4 connectors and two separated chambers?
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Re: New Product - Oil Catch Can
« Reply #15 on: November 18, 2010, 05:04:12 PM »
Tube 2 that comes off of the front of the valve cover has an integrated oil vapor catch in the valve cover itself that does a really good job of catching the oil vapor. You can hook both of the valve cover outlets to the catch can with the included "T" if you want, and we give you the option with the kit to do that, however tube 1 is where we have been seeing the problem.

I took a picture of the inside of a 2.0L valve cover so you can see what the difference internally for Tube 1 and Tube 2 is. You can see Tube 1 just dumps right into the valve cover, no baffling. Tube 2 on the other hand has quite an intricate system in place for the oil to collect in the valve cover. Connecting Tube 1 to the catch can only works very well, we of course will make you a custom catch can with 2 inlets and outlets if you prefer though.



Let me know if you have any other questions!
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Re: New Product - Oil Catch Can
« Reply #16 on: November 18, 2010, 05:33:31 PM »
Thx Dave, that was very informative! the piece of the puzzle missing was that there is a baffle system on the head for tube 2.
Not sure i can hanlde the cost af a one-off custom dual OCC.
if more people show up and they are in for it at a good price, i am certainly in.
if people don t prefer the dual occ, since you explained thoroughly how your single occ works, i will probably go with the flow and order the existing one.

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Re: New Product - Oil Catch Can
« Reply #18 on: November 18, 2010, 07:17:54 PM »
Thank you Dave for explaining completely, now is more clear!
Not sure i can hanlde the cost af a one-off custom dual OCC.
if more people show up and they are in for it at a good price, i am certainly in.
if people don t prefer the dual occ, since you explained thoroughly how your single occ works, i will probably go with the flow and order the existing one.
If the price is right I will prefer a dual OCC because we don't know when that is gonna fail too. I prefer to predict than to repair.
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Re: New Product - Oil Catch Can
« Reply #19 on: November 18, 2010, 07:20:36 PM »
Sorry those are only for customers that actually visit us   :poke:

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Re: New Product - Oil Catch Can
« Reply #20 on: November 19, 2010, 05:34:49 PM »
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Re: New Product - Oil Catch Can
« Reply #21 on: November 20, 2010, 02:07:47 AM »
ooohhhhh pretty!  Do they come in pink?

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Re: New Product - Oil Catch Can
« Reply #22 on: November 29, 2010, 06:47:58 PM »
Just an update, only 3 left at this price, then back to regular price.

They only come in pink on the inside, well atleast for one person...

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Re: New Product - Oil Catch Can
« Reply #23 on: November 29, 2010, 08:52:42 PM »
Two were delivered to my door today.  Dee and I will be running OCCs.  Awesome design.

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« Reply #24 on: November 29, 2010, 09:18:04 PM »
I just got my tracking # from UPS delivery date is Dec.1st . Then to put it in . I watched dave when I was in SC
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