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Re: How would (do?) you justify replacing 2.0 for LS3?
« Reply #75 on: February 05, 2011, 01:49:20 AM »
I've only been married 37 and I too know what I can get away with, I would have to break my current motor first, and then be all gloom and doom before I could get away with the V8.  :)

I'd have to finish remodleing the kitchen, build the front porch and plant the garden in the back yard, along with buying her a CTS-V coupe before I could get away with dropping an LSX in the Solstice.... but I'm working on it!

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Re: How would (do?) you justify replacing 2.0 for LS3?
« Reply #76 on: February 05, 2011, 08:28:55 AM »
I've only been married 37 and I too know what I can get away with, I would have to break my current motor first, and then be all gloom and doom before I could get away with the V8.  :)

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Re: How would (do?) you justify replacing 2.0 for LS3?
« Reply #77 on: February 05, 2011, 09:00:52 AM »
I drop it in tomorrow if I like. But the 2L still going strong and has the right balance of Power & MPG for my 120 mile around trip to work. I'm keeping the 2L until she dies. And to be different, I'm thinking a STi motor & AWD drive train swap. Or just drop in 3.8L turbo from a GN.

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Re: How would (do?) you justify replacing 2.0 for LS3?
« Reply #78 on: February 05, 2011, 11:58:47 AM »
I drop it in tomorrow if I like. But the 2L still going strong and has the right balance of Power & MPG for my 120 mile around trip to work. I'm keeping the 2L until she dies. And to be different, I'm thinking a STi motor & AWD drive train swap. Or just drop in 3.8L turbo from a GN.

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Re: How would (do?) you justify replacing 2.0 for LS3?
« Reply #79 on: February 05, 2011, 02:57:25 PM »
3.8 turbo is about a 400 lbs motor with it's iron block. Weighs similar to modern day LSX motor.
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Re: How would (do?) you justify replacing 2.0 for LS3?
« Reply #80 on: February 05, 2011, 03:08:53 PM »
just drop in 3.8L turbo from a GN.

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Re: How would (do?) you justify replacing 2.0 for LS3?
« Reply #81 on: February 05, 2011, 05:22:32 PM »
3.8 turbo is about a 400 lbs motor with it's iron block. Weighs similar to modern day LSX motor.
Yes, but the V8 is already been done. This V6 as fare as I know has not. The 3.8L iron block can make a lot of power. And sense the V6 is shorter then the V8. The weight will be closer to the firewall, then hanging over the front wheels. The closer you can keep the weight to center, the better it will handle.

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Re: How would (do?) you justify replacing 2.0 for LS3?
« Reply #82 on: February 05, 2011, 05:22:42 PM »
Mike ;Good Choice with 3.8L GN . Check out Billy Anderson's Buick GN . He dynoed my PT a couple years ago and gonna do it again Soon . You would have One Very fast Kappa.

 http://www.streetfire.net/video/billy-anderson-running-a-725188-in-a-single-turb_48487.htm#

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Re: How would (do?) you justify replacing 2.0 for LS3?
« Reply #83 on: March 28, 2011, 02:58:35 PM »
I guess that I married an unusual girl. My Solstice has DDM Stage III Supercharger, long tube headers, high flow cat and exhaust. Runs real strong, but feels strained when pulling hard. Mentioned to wife one day  that it sure would be nice if it had a V8 with it's massive torque, (like her massaged Hemi 300) and she said "well, why don't you put one in there then? DDM will have a LS3/480 and Tremec T56 in there by first week of May! (I guess you will hate me too now, Critterman?)
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Re: How would (do?) you justify replacing 2.0 for LS3?
« Reply #84 on: March 28, 2011, 03:18:07 PM »
i don't know about critter, but i certainly hate you :)
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Re: How would (do?) you justify replacing 2.0 for LS3?
« Reply #85 on: March 28, 2011, 06:19:50 PM »
I guess that I married an unusual girl. My Solstice has DDM Stage III Supercharger, long tube headers, high flow cat and exhaust. Runs real strong, but feels strained when pulling hard. Mentioned to wife one day  that it sure would be nice if it had a V8 with it's massive torque, (like her massaged Hemi 300) and she said "well, why don't you put one in there then? DDM will have a LS3/480 and Tremec T56 in there by first week of May! (I guess you will hate me too now, Critterman?)

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Re: How would (do?) you justify replacing 2.0 for LS3?
« Reply #86 on: March 28, 2011, 08:00:19 PM »
I am sure Dr. Dave will take lots of pictures of the conversion and I will ask him to post some of them.
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Re: How would (do?) you justify replacing 2.0 for LS3?
« Reply #87 on: March 28, 2011, 10:38:54 PM »
Do I even need to reply Coop?
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Re: How would (do?) you justify replacing 2.0 for LS3?
« Reply #88 on: March 29, 2011, 09:43:46 AM »
NO. I can feel the hate from here! :cool: :lol:
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Re: How would (do?) you justify replacing 2.0 for LS3?
« Reply #89 on: March 29, 2011, 09:48:12 AM »
as well you should.  :devil:

Are you going on the initial shake down voyage with Dave as your pilot?   If so no more hate just admiration.   :o
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Re: How would (do?) you justify replacing 2.0 for LS3?
« Reply #90 on: March 29, 2011, 03:24:27 PM »
I don't know how he works things. I will be picking up the car early on 5 May and driving it back to Tampa. Should be a fun ride!
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Re: How would (do?) you justify replacing 2.0 for LS3?
« Reply #91 on: March 29, 2011, 07:26:08 PM »
I'm afraid to ask how much, no I know I don't want to know, I don't want to be tempted.

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Re: How would (do?) you justify replacing 2.0 for LS3?
« Reply #92 on: March 29, 2011, 08:25:12 PM »
Critterman, you REALLY, REALLY need a V8 too!!
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Re: How would (do?) you justify replacing 2.0 for LS3?
« Reply #93 on: March 29, 2011, 10:26:51 PM »
Don't make me put you on ignore, and unfriend you Coop
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Re: How would (do?) you justify replacing 2.0 for LS3?
« Reply #94 on: March 30, 2011, 12:41:23 AM »
Critter,

You and I can stop off in Atlantic City on our way from BWI to DBG's house (I think I saw your "fastest route" takes us right near A.City, so it shouldn't be a problem)  We can bet big one Red and you can buy your V8!

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Re: How would (do?) you justify replacing 2.0 for LS3?
« Reply #95 on: March 30, 2011, 08:30:39 AM »
Interesting thread.  So, in a long winded way, that is my answer as to why I am pulling out a perfectly good 2.0, modded to over 350 flywheel hp and putting in a new LS3 with over 450 flywheel hp.  To each his own, certainly.

:thumbs: Thanks SB, that's the type of answer I was hoping for (edited because the forum won't let me quote your entire answer and add mine).

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Re: How would (do?) you justify replacing 2.0 for LS3?
« Reply #96 on: March 30, 2011, 09:49:08 AM »
Critter,

You and I can stop off in Atlantic City on our way from BWI to DBG's house (I think I saw your "fastest route" takes us right near A.City, so it shouldn't be a problem)  We can bet big one Red and you can buy your V8!

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Re: How would (do?) you justify replacing 2.0 for LS3?
« Reply #97 on: March 30, 2011, 01:18:02 PM »
If we stop in AC, the only v8 I will be able to afford is sold at a grocery store.
If you stop in AC, I am going to have to bet on CT getting to Joe's first!  Critter you want me to place a bet for you?
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Re: How would (do?) you justify replacing 2.0 for LS3?
« Reply #98 on: March 30, 2011, 02:20:57 PM »
I don't know how he works things. I will be picking up the car early on 5 May and driving it back to Tampa. Should be a fun ride!

We look forward to seeing the car in Tampa. I'm sure that a lot of my fellow TBR members feel the same.

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Re: How would (do?) you justify replacing 2.0 for LS3?
« Reply #99 on: March 31, 2011, 03:17:33 AM »
Critter,

I say just go for it.  Get the V8 now.  That way, when you pick me up, all CT will have is a silly 4 banger with or without a SuperCharger.  You and I will have a V8!  No way we will lose!

I tell you what... If you swap the SC for the V8 prior to picking me up AND we win the "Challenge" I'll buy your dinner with the winnings from CT.  Deal?

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