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Offline Kuprito

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Flywheels
« on: December 22, 2010, 11:56:39 AM »
What is the stock flywheel weight?

What aftermarket choices (make and weight) do we have right now?

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Re: Flywheels
« Reply #1 on: December 22, 2010, 12:34:56 PM »
carlos.........stock FW weighs around 38lbs

you have the choice to get SPEC clutch and match it with SPEC Light FW (only 12 lbs).


fidanza also offers LFW

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Re: Flywheels
« Reply #2 on: December 22, 2010, 12:48:34 PM »
No more options?

I don't want a fullrace flywheel... I would be happy with 20lbs

So we've got:
SPEC 12Lbs
Fidanza 9.5Lbs
ACT ?????
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Re: Flywheels
« Reply #3 on: December 22, 2010, 12:53:21 PM »
sorry, very limited options my friend......

I talked to ACT last year, I believe their developing one for us.   I'm not sure if they're already out.

but I don't think the FW will be 20lbs.....

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Re: Flywheels
« Reply #4 on: December 22, 2010, 01:15:08 PM »
i have read somewhere (but i am really uncertain of this) that the lightweight flywheel will make the car not run good...
sorry, i know that what i am saying is not adequate info, but i recall reading that somewhere...
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Re: Flywheels
« Reply #5 on: December 22, 2010, 01:24:59 PM »
I think first kits had the chatter issue.

Do you know when you relase slowly the clutch with no gas at all... a heavier FW has more inertia so it's more difficult to stop, a 9.5Lbs FW will be easier to stop by the clutch, so heavier is more comfortable in traffic lights and this stuff... That's the unique advantatge of a heavy FW vs a lighter FW.
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Re: Flywheels
« Reply #6 on: December 22, 2010, 01:38:03 PM »
once you upgrade to a stronger clutch, don't expect it to be 100% perfect just like your stock clutch.

there are a couple of sky/solstice owners that daily drives their cars, including myself.  I actually love my aftermarket clutch/fw....its very similar to stock clutch even in heavy traffic (downtown providence where I work).  Shifts very smooth.....and provides tons of grip.

some people complain about chattering.

My friend with an Evo, his stage 2 ACT clutch chatters big time.  But it gives him what he needed.  So he deals with it.

I had mine balanced, I guess it helps....


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Re: Flywheels
« Reply #7 on: December 22, 2010, 02:29:49 PM »
Although I have not pulled the trigger on a flywheel/clutch yet, I will do so in a month or so and have researched this as early as 2.5 years ago. So, allow me to ramble a bit.

There are few options for the LNF. Do NOT believe what you read when claims are made that a given flywheel will fit the GXP/Redline and other cars with Ecotec engines. This is simply NOT TRUE. The flywheel on the Kappa LNF is unique, and NOTHING else will work, nor will it work on any other Ecotec applications including HHR SS's and Cobalt SS LNF's.

DDM may be working on a clutch/flywheel for their own brand, but one would have to contact them about that. Fidanza has a lightweight machined aluminum piece that is about 10 pounds. If I could afford TWO of them, one would go on Streak and the other would be framed and mounted on the wall - it is that pretty. It has a replaceable friction plate, so if it is worn out or hot spotted, it can be replaced without having to buy a complete flywheel. Spec has a lightweight flywheel as well - also about 10 pounds.

While Fidanza does NOT offer a clutch, Spec does. THIS is where things can get confusing !!! The Fidanza will accept any stock style clutch. Spec offers TWO styles of flywheel and clutches, and they are NOT compatible with each other. Spec has a SAC style system, and a non-SAC type. SAC = Self Adjusting Clutch. The Kappas come with an SAC system, which is sort of standard issue when a hydraulic clutch system is used. Most non-SAC systems have some sort of physical adjustment inherent in the hardware, but Spec does NOT have ANY sort of adjuster. The advantage of an SAC system is that the clutch action is always near the middle of the pedal travel, but some think that SAC systems are "weaker" than non-SAC systems. (I have read of NO issues with our clutch actuation systems.) The advantage of a non-SAC system is that it may be more rugged, but the down side of the Spec system is that there is NO adjustment - you put the stuff in and the "pedal" is wherever it is.

Spec offers a whole series of clutches for SAC systems, and will work on any SAC style flywheel offered (at this time) for the LNF Kappas. The non-SAC clutches from Spec will work ONLY on their non-SAC flywheel. In speaking with Spec it seems that a Series 3 or 3+ is all that would be needed on most modded LNFs. For those that have produced monster engines (north of 400whp) they have stronger clutches up to leg crushers!!!! The 2's and 3's are easily streetable.

A light flywheel WILL make clutch engagement and shifting a bit more touchy. Why? Less rotational mass, but that is exactly the benefit. Any - ANY - clutch will start to chatter if they are not bedded in properly. Sort of like brake chatter if THEY are not properly bedded in properly, and for similar reasons. Even the stock LNF clutch can be made to chatter if one gets "lazy" when starting the car. Ditto stalling. It is just a bit more demanding with a 10 pound wheel and high friction clutch. Engine vibration WILL be felt a bit more in the car, but that is part of how 4 cylinder engines act. Even with "wobble sticks" in the engine, not all harmonics can be eliminated. Since the LNF engine is "internally" balanced, a change in flywheels should not cause a problem. I few well spent dollars will get a replacement wheel balanced to near zero, so that should certainly address any variance there.

What will I be buying? A Fidanza flywheel (check e-bay !!!) and a Spec 3 or 3+. The ONLY reason I will be doing a 3 is because doing a clutch on an LNF is serious hours, and I don't want to do it twice, although I think the 2 series may be plenty for any stock turbo application regardless of tuning or fuel.

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Re: Flywheels
« Reply #8 on: December 22, 2010, 04:35:23 PM »
bob, I highly suggest, that you go with the 3+ rathen than the stage 3.

a few more dollars, is well worth it.

they didn't make it as their flagship for nothing.

I was really scared of getting a stage 3 or 3+, I was planning to get stage 2, but SPEC pushed 3+ due to its driveability excellence compared to 2 or 3.   So besides it being able to handle up to around 560 ft-lb (on the wheels) (688 ft-lb crank). 

It is still full-face compared to a 6 puck (stage 3).

I also personally drove another sky with Stage 2, and he I felt bad for the kid, since that clutch was just awful when I compared it to mine.

first time I drove my car with the new clutch, I smiled :)

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Re: Flywheels
« Reply #9 on: December 22, 2010, 05:35:26 PM »
I am leaning towards the 3+.
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Re: Flywheels
« Reply #10 on: December 22, 2010, 10:20:53 PM »
I'm pushing you over to 3+  ;)

by the way, are you getting Fidanza FW due to price alone?

if not, howcome you're not getting spec FW?
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Re: Flywheels
« Reply #11 on: December 22, 2010, 10:49:23 PM »
I'm pushing you over to 3+  ;)

by the way, are you getting Fidanza FW due to price alone?

if not, howcome you're not getting spec FW?

The better question is why am I buying a Spec clutch ?!?!?!?! Answer - no apparent choices at this time.

In no particular order (and mostly from my gut);
I know the Fidanza flywheel works(and I do realize the Spec does, too), they were first (IIRC), and I think it looks TOO cool to be buried in a bell housing!!! I have spoken with Spec people repeatedly, and THEY don't even agree on the value of the non-SAC package for the LNF. Personally, if I owned Spec I would not even offer the non-SAC system for the LNF. It just does not set well with me to be told that the ratchet in the LNF clutch system has a failure problem (it DOES???) as justification for buying a clutch that has no provision for adjustment.

That said, I have NO issues with the quality of their product. The above is about the person to person contact, not the product. If someone offered me a steep deal on a Spec lightweight SAC flywheel I would probably take it. (Did I mention I can be a ho' !!!!????) Plenty of people have them, and they work. Dave @ DDM sells them, and he has a well earned rep for selling only good stuff, and has consistently been super supportive of the forums and Kappa owners.

So, there you have it. I will BUY a Fidanza flywheel, but would ACCEPT a Spec flywheel. Either way, the Spec 3+ will be present as well.
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Re: Flywheels
« Reply #12 on: December 22, 2010, 10:55:45 PM »
oh ok gotcha Bob!  :)

by the way, CLUTCHMASTERS, also has different clutch stages for our LNF!   So you can talk to them as well!

Both Clutchmasters and Spec, offered me sponsorship, but I ended up going with Spec since we agreed on most sponsorship stuff...

anyways, good luck with your decision.   Let me know, if you decide to go with Spec, I can give my contact's name and info.....


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Re: Flywheels
« Reply #13 on: December 22, 2010, 11:02:55 PM »
also talk to DDM Dave.  Early this year, we had a couple of conversations about DDM's plan of developing clutch for LNF.   I wasn't able to wait, since I needed a clutch ASAP.  

I believe, the DDM clutch will be able to handle around only up to 350 ft-lb.   But I know he is very busy with other projects, that's why he put it on back burner......

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Re: Flywheels
« Reply #14 on: December 22, 2010, 11:19:22 PM »
also talk to DDM Dave.  Early this year, we had a couple of conversations about DDM's plan of developing clutch for LNF.   I wasn't able to wait, since I needed a clutch ASAP.   

I believe, the DDM clutch will be able to handle around only up to 350 ft-lb.   But I know he is very busy with other projects, that's why he put it on back burner......



He is a busy dude. He may have to build a second building just to house that burner.   :thumbs: :lol: :rofl: ;)
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Re: Flywheels
« Reply #15 on: December 22, 2010, 11:21:11 PM »
did u see my previous post about clutchmasters?


anywho, yeah Dave is busy always.   But he always have time to talk to kappa owners if we have questions about the car, which is very impressive!

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Re: Flywheels
« Reply #16 on: December 23, 2010, 12:46:59 AM »
Glad to see all of this information from a couple of the most knowledgable people here. :thumbs:

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Re: Flywheels
« Reply #17 on: December 23, 2010, 10:01:36 AM »
Glad to see all of this information from a couple of the most knowledgable people here. :thumbs:

HA !!!!!!!!!! We have YOU fooled.  :poke:  :kwh:
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Re: Flywheels
« Reply #18 on: December 23, 2010, 10:02:16 AM »
did u see my previous post about clutchmasters?


anywho, yeah Dave is busy always.   But he always have time to talk to kappa owners if we have questions about the car, which is very impressive!



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Re: Flywheels
« Reply #19 on: December 23, 2010, 10:39:14 AM »
 :rofl: Add it to my wish list... And boy is that a long list.  :lol: Wish I had won the lottery this week...  :violin:  :rofl:
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Re: Flywheels
« Reply #20 on: December 23, 2010, 11:20:17 AM »
Bolt ONS are much easier than bolt INS, aren't they?
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Re: Flywheels
« Reply #21 on: December 23, 2010, 11:46:59 AM »
If Dave would quit talking to all those Kappa owners, he could get to those back burners  :poke:

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Re: Flywheels
« Reply #22 on: December 23, 2010, 11:58:03 PM »
I have a fidanza flywheel and spec stage 3 clutch. I can hardly tell the difference from stock in regards to engine stall when starting in first gear. Pressing the clutch pedal feels the same to me as stock.  Everything has worked great so far.
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Re: Flywheels
« Reply #23 on: December 24, 2010, 12:24:24 AM »
Where do I send your tip money ?!?!?!?!?!
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« Reply #24 on: December 24, 2010, 12:48:39 AM »
Buy it you'll like it. Use the tip money for your flywheel. Merry Xmas
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