Author Topic: The Intercooler Thread (Read 131763 times)

kennysabarese · « **Reply #75 on:** July 05, 2012, 10:20:31 PM »

This will help you.

http://www.kappaperformance.com/forum/index.php?topic=5000.0

redlinedude · « **Reply #76 on:** July 06, 2012, 03:34:05 PM »

I did a pressure test up to 23lbs and no leaks??? Now what???

Gentleman Jack · « **Reply #77 on:** July 06, 2012, 05:08:10 PM »

Did you only test the IC or all the piping as well?

redlinedude · « **Reply #78 on:** July 06, 2012, 06:52:18 PM »

Quote from: Gentleman Jack on July 06, 2012, 05:08:10 PM

Did you only test the IC or all the piping as well?

I disconnected the hose from the turbo and connected my test plug to the intercooler hose so all piping and hoses have been checked. It held 20+lbs for at least 10 minutes. I spoke to a friend and he told me to put the stock spark plugs back in (I have been running NGK 6509's 1 step cooler). I also cleaned the MAF sensor with MAF sensor cleaner. I drove the car and it still acts the same. I think at this point I have some type of software issue. Is it possible to connect the car to some type of scan tool while I am driving to check ECU functions, O2 sensors, knock sensors, A/F ratios, etc...

Gentleman Jack · « **Reply #79 on:** July 06, 2012, 07:15:21 PM »

Quote from: redlinedude on July 06, 2012, 06:52:18 PM

I disconnected the hose from the turbo and connected my test plug to the intercooler hose so all piping and hoses have been checked. It held 20+lbs for at least 10 minutes. I spoke to a friend and he told me to put the stock spark plugs back in (I have been running NGK 6509's 1 step cooler). I also cleaned the MAF sensor with MAF sensor cleaner. I drove the car and it still acts the same. I think at this point I have some type of software issue. Is it possible to connect the car to some type of scan tool while I am driving to check ECU functions, O2 sensors, knock sensors, A/F ratios, etc...

Dude,

What do you have your spark plus gapped to? Most of us with a tune have regapped our spark plugs down to .30???? I think. Someone can step in and clairify. Don't go on my number, but I know there have been some problems with tunes blowing out spark. Something to look in to.

GJ

redlinedude · « **Reply #80 on:** July 06, 2012, 07:27:08 PM »

I have them gapped to .30. Here is another thread I started a while ago.

http://www.kappaperformance.com/forum/index.php/topic,8711.0.html

Gentleman Jack · « **Reply #81 on:** July 06, 2012, 11:57:06 PM »

hey, at least I gave the same advice both times!

I don't post here very often, so I can't always remember what ive said and not said |)

40rtyp · « **Reply #82 on:** July 08, 2012, 10:51:25 AM »

Quote from: redlinedude on July 06, 2012, 06:52:18 PM

I disconnected the hose from the turbo and connected my test plug to the intercooler hose so all piping and hoses have been checked. It held 20+lbs for at least 10 minutes. I spoke to a friend and he told me to put the stock spark plugs back in (I have been running NGK 6509's 1 step cooler). I also cleaned the MAF sensor with MAF sensor cleaner. I drove the car and it still acts the same. I think at this point I have some type of software issue. Is it possible to connect the car to some type of scan tool while I am driving to check ECU functions, O2 sensors, knock sensors, A/F ratios, etc...

Do you by chance use an Android phone?????

redlinedude · « **Reply #83 on:** July 08, 2012, 11:36:27 AM »

Quote from: 40rtyp on July 08, 2012, 10:51:25 AM

Do you by chance use an Android phone?????

Yes

40rtyp · « **Reply #84 on:** July 08, 2012, 01:02:03 PM »

Quote from: redlinedude on July 08, 2012, 11:36:27 AM

Yes

Awesome! You know how you were wondering what your Afr is and other parameters to help trouble? Go on Google Play store on your phone and download the app"Torque". There is a free version you can try out and a Pro. It will display on your phone all the information from the ecm. It also has a diagnostics tab that reads for engine codes and you can erase them if need be. It will tell you what the codes mean etc. I use this in my car to monitor multiple sensors. It works via Bluetooth and all you would need is to get a Bluetooth ObdII module that can be had for $15 on eBay.

Here is a link: http://torque-bhp.com/

On Google play the program is $5 for the Pro

I use the recommend Kiwi Bluetooth module. Here is a link on eBay to all of them.
http://shop.mobileweb.ebay.com/searchresults?kw=bluetooth+obdII&x=31&y=11&cmd=SKW

Hope this helps. Great app!!

redlinedude · « **Reply #85 on:** July 13, 2012, 12:58:05 PM »

I took my car to my local Chevy dealer today to fix the convertible top. I spoke to my Saturn tech and he went for a test drive with me. The car reached around 10psi boost and the check engine light started flashing. The same cylinder #3 misfire codes (P0303) came up. He pulled the car into the shop and switched the coil packs with cylinder #2. We drove the car again and this time misfire on cylinder #2. I replaced the bad coil pack and now the car runs great !!

Critterman · « **Reply #86 on:** July 13, 2012, 01:09:56 PM »

Always good when it is a simple solution. Glad your car is running right again.

kennysabarese · « **Reply #87 on:** July 13, 2012, 01:28:47 PM »

Great news!

Sly Bob · « **Reply #88 on:** July 13, 2012, 04:09:50 PM »

Quote from: redlinedude on July 13, 2012, 12:58:05 PM

I took my car to my local Chevy dealer today to fix the convertible top. I spoke to my Saturn tech and he went for a test drive with me. The car reached around 10psi boost and the check engine light started flashing. The same cylinder #3 misfire codes (P0303) came up. He pulled the car into the shop and switched the coil packs with cylinder #2. We drove the car again and this time misfire on cylinder #2. I replaced the bad coil pack and now the car runs great !!

Smart tech! Glad you got everything sorted out.

redlinedude · « **Reply #89 on:** July 13, 2012, 04:31:37 PM »

My joy is short-lived. I went to re-install my BSR tune and it doesn't recognize my car now. A similar situation happened to me a couple of days ago when I had a tech at a Honda dealer clear the check engine light. At that time, I disconnected the battery for 20 minutes and it was okay. When I went to the dealer today, he used a GM TechII scanner. So today, I disconnected my battery and when I reconnected it and I now still get an error code saying I need to sync my tuner with BSR. They want an extra $80.00 to buy a "tuning warranty" for this process.

I guess I have to be thankful that my car is running okay.

Bill Hahn Jr · « **Reply #90 on:** July 13, 2012, 04:32:37 PM »

Quote from: Sly Bob on July 13, 2012, 04:09:50 PM

Smart tech! Glad you got everything sorted out.

Good deal. Coil issues are unfortunately very common on LNF. He was on his game for sure!

Bill Hahn Jr · « **Reply #91 on:** July 13, 2012, 04:34:36 PM »

Quote from: redlinedude on July 13, 2012, 04:31:37 PM

My joy is short-lived. I went to re-install my BSR tune and it doesn't recognize my car now. A similar situation happened to me a couple of days ago when I had a tech at a Honda dealer clear the check engine light. At that time, I disconnected the battery for 20 minutes and it was okay. When I went to the dealer today, he used a GM TechII scanner. So today, I disconnected my battery and when I reconnected it and I now get an error code saying I need to sync my tuner with BSR. They want an extra $80.00 to buy a "tuning warranty" for this process.

Ah, the apparently never-ending saga of modern electronic performance. It would appear your dealer tech may have also flashed in the most recent stock cal for your car, creating sync issues for the BSR tune.

Did you perhaps purchase this BSR unit from us?

redlinedude · « **Reply #92 on:** July 13, 2012, 04:37:00 PM »

Quote from: Bill Hahn Jr on July 13, 2012, 04:32:37 PM

Good deal. Coil issues are unfortunately very common on LNF. He was on his game for sure!

Hi Bill, Thanks for the post. I spoke to Jesse at HahnRacecraft today in regards to any help I can get with the BSR tuner I purchased from your company. He was going to contact BSR to possibly help me get my PPC tuner to read my car again.

Bill Hahn Jr · « **Reply #93 on:** July 13, 2012, 04:55:28 PM »

Quote from: redlinedude on July 13, 2012, 04:37:00 PM

Hi Bill, Thanks for the post. I spoke to Jesse at Hahn RaceCraft today in regards to any help I can get with the BSR tuner I purchased from your company. He was going to contact BSR to possibly help me get my PPC tuner to read my car again.

Perfect. Jesse is one of our very treasured new employees. He'll involve me as needed.

To all: While we've had a great run with the BSR Tuner, all the way back to pioneering it as the first flash tuning option ever available for LNF, it has been largely supplanted by more affordable options as of late. Despite our most petulant pleadings, BSR refused to respond to rapidly changing market dynamics here in the USA, and would not budge on pricing. Additionally, they instituted this "two-year service agreement" along the way.

The background behind the new policy was easy to understand: with a long, successful history in the tuner game, they'd developed a customer base that was simply overwhelming their Technical Support staff with seemingly perpetual Q&A, in many cases many years past actual point of purchase. Like any manufacturer, they had to create a cutoff point, lest they be mired in free support forever, which comprises a simply unmanageable business model for a company that's been this successful. So, they chose two years as the cutoff point.

While we understand this policy's intentions, at times it's been a sticking point for us, for many of the Tuners were sold by us prior to this policy being instituted, and I don't feel such a policy should be retroactive. To me, that's disingenuous, and just bad customer service. We've been working with our customers who find themselves in this wedge point, such as redlinedude here. In instances where BSR has been uncooperative, we've attempted to help customers out by issuing product vouchers for future Hahn RaceCraft purchases in an amount that's typically 1/2 of BSR's "service contract" charge, effectively meeting our customers in the middle. In some cases, for our customers who've made and/or are about to make particularly large purchases, we've gone even further. Most have found this to be an accommodating policy.

As an aside, we are phasing out the BSR Tuner, to be replaced with more contemporary and competitive options to be announced soon. As noted above, we'll still continue to support our customers who've purchased BSR from us.

40rtyp · « **Reply #94 on:** July 13, 2012, 08:53:16 PM »

Mr. Hahn, I very much think that Hahn racecraft is making the best decision. I think that offering a HP Tuners package or even Trifecta will better fit what you guys represent. I remember looking at the BSR back in Aug of 2008 when I took delivery of my Cobalt SS/TC and was very close to buying it. I have since moved on from that car and now have a Sky Redline. I have been using HP tuners and couldn't be happier at the simplicity of using it for logging and being able to monitor parameters that normally I wouldn't be able to see. It just feels so reassurring having this software coupled with a reputable tuner.

Glad to see you coming on our forums a lot lately

Gentleman Jack · « **Reply #95 on:** July 13, 2012, 10:29:46 PM »

Wow. Hahn Racecraft crawls itself out of the nothing and BAM. Right back in the thick of it with top notch customer service and helpful advice.

Bill,
I hope for all of us that need help along the way that you continue to be succesful and have the time to hang around these forums helping us where ever you can. Thank you.

GJ
staff CPA

reedred · « **Reply #96 on:** July 14, 2012, 02:04:45 PM »

Quote from: Gentleman Jack on July 04, 2012, 05:08:16 PM

Reed,

See here:
http://www.chevrolet.com/owners/warranty/

So that list is the current GM Powertrain warranty, which has changed since 2009. You did inspire me to look in the glovebox, where it turned out I still had the warranty booklet. The Charge Air Cooler, its fan, and a whole bunch of other stuff are actually covered under the emissions warranty for some reason. Tony read it and agreed with me, so right now they're looking at it so they can order the parts for my covered repair. Whew- that was a thousand dollars I wasn't looking to spend right now! Thanks, GJ!!!

elff · « **Reply #97 on:** July 14, 2012, 02:23:39 PM »

If you have $600 I would still recommend getting the Hahn Intercooler and see if you could get your dealer to install it for free.
It seems like the stock intercoolers have a limited life span.
I personally like to upgrade whenever a part fails. The current deal on the Hahn intercooler is a freaking Steal.

wspohn · « **Reply #98 on:** July 14, 2012, 02:31:50 PM »

Quote from: elff on July 14, 2012, 02:23:39 PM

It seems like the stock intercoolers have a limited life span.

Not sure we have the evidence to support that.

There have definitely been a few factory coolers that have swollen and had to be replaced, but I haven't seen any evidence that this was other than a bad batch. We'd need evidence that showed a higher incidence of bulged coolers in the older cars to be able to say that age factors into this malady, wouldn't we?

I agree with you that upgrading to something more robust (the question of whether there is any power benefit on an otherwise stock car aside) is a good idea, but I have heard of many dealers that will not install non-factory parts. In fact unless they install factory parts supplied by the factory, I don't believe that the warranty covers the labour.

The only way to get a friendly mechanic to do this is have them order the new IC in, have him turn his back, cross his fingers, and replace it with your new IC. That keeps the books straight, you get a spare new stock cooler, and the install can be covered.

elff · « **Reply #99 on:** July 14, 2012, 02:36:32 PM »

Reeds car is a 2009 Special edition.

To me, that would mean the bad batch spanned over a year of production, which really makes it a crap shoot and he could just as easily get a replacement from that same batch
or
It's a design flaw. There have been a fair share of them ballooning.

But that discussion aside

The Hahn intercooler for Mid $500 is a killer deal.
Yes it's more than a free warranty replacement, but it's $200 - $500 cheaper than all the other LNF intercoolers on the market right now so IMHO if you need a new intercooler, it's a no brainer for me.

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