Author Topic: Oil Change ?'s (Read 30859 times)

lil goat · « **Reply #50 on:** February 27, 2009, 01:50:32 AM »

The RP racing oil XPR reccomends changing oil every 12,000 miles, now you know if they say 12,000 you could go a lot farther because they want to sell oil. I won't do 12,000 but won't do 3000 anymore either. I figure with a good oil I trust I will just use the DIC. I just switched to the XPR from RP regular and yes I can see a difference above 5500 rpm, engine seems to pull to about 6500 now. I guess reduced friction in the turbo and it doesn't run out of gas so quick, it seems to hit my 7200 rpm red line quicker too.

Deep-GXP · « **Reply #51 on:** February 28, 2009, 05:32:34 AM »

Quote from: Cheers on February 26, 2009, 11:58:05 PM

Where?

sorry it was on the big board somewhere. Someone posted a link to a website that showed mobil 1 to rank really really low and that they never backed up their claims when they said they were better than castrol. (i dont remember exactly).

Lucy'sDaddy · « **Reply #52 on:** February 28, 2009, 09:23:28 AM »

I have been using Mobil 1 oil for YEARS! BUT......I just switched.......to Q Horsepower. Reason? It's still GM4718M approved, BUT it's $18/5 qts at wallyworld, vs $26/5 qts for Mobil 1. Good enough reason? I also just stocked up on NAPA Gold filters. They had a sale this week, half off. I bought enough for most of the year or so, 19 filters for $70 (we have 4 vehicles and drive over 60k/year total). Do the math, that's CHEAP! I bought a Wix filter local last summer, and it was $11! OUCH!

Here is the current list of approved oils for GM cars:
http://www.gm.com/corporate/responsibility/environment/maintenance/gm_approved_engine_oils.pdf

lil goat · « **Reply #53 on:** February 28, 2009, 01:43:02 PM »

Royal Purple XPR is NOT approved, and it costs over 3 times as much as any another, and you know what I still use it, blew 3 turbo's in my Eclipse using Mobil 1, then I switched to Castrol, not sure the oil had anything to do with it, I was glad the dealer just kept replacing them.

Lucy'sDaddy · « **Reply #54 on:** March 07, 2009, 06:55:37 PM »

I went to wallyworld today to pick up a 5 qt jug of oil to get the winter storage oil out. I WANT to switch to RP XPR, but LadyT says NO, not unless it's on the GM4718M approved list, which it's not. SSSSSOOOOOOOO, I found a 5 qt jug of the new Castrol Edge. A little more than Mobil 1, at $34/5qts, vs Mobil 1 at $26/5qts. $7.47/qt. Got 6 qts, and will change the filter at about 65% life. We'll give it a try.

Excelsior · « **Reply #55 on:** March 07, 2009, 08:18:39 PM »

I KNEW that driveway looked familiar in the second pic....

http://ddz.net/gallery/index.php?mode=view&alb=Solstice%2Foilchange&pic=IMG_2932.JPG

Quote from: DeepBlueGXP on February 12, 2009, 11:34:57 PM

It's easy,

DeepBlueGXP · « **Reply #56 on:** March 08, 2009, 01:10:01 PM »

I did a google search for oil filters and looked at google images, grabbed on and pasted. It wasn't my driveway. If that was your pic, thanks...

Lucy'sDaddy · « **Reply #57 on:** April 22, 2009, 10:21:37 PM »

I had to get some oil today for an upcoming oil change. Went to Wal-Mart for the 5 qt jugs, and the selection was very limited. I was looking for Q horsepower in 5W-30 ($18), but no such luck. So I started looking at the backs of the jugs to see what "claims" to be GM4718M approved. When I picked up the jug of Mobil 1 in 5W30 ($26) I was SHOCKED to NOT find the GM4718M rating on the back! Where I DID find it was on the back of the Mobil 1 0W-30 "Advanced Fuel Economy" oil.

Must be all the battering Mobil 1 took from the competition has caused them to change their labeling!

SO DOES THIS MEAN WE ARE TO NO LONGER RUN MOBIL 1 5W-30 IN OUR TURBO CARS, BUT WE ARE TO RUN 0W-30 INSTEAD?

The only other jugs of oil carrying the GM4718M approved rating in the label were the synthetic Pennzoil Platinum and Valvoline Synpower. After checking out the Valvoline site just now, I realized I could've gotten a 5 dollar rebate coupon for the Valvoline, saved 3 bucks, and gotten oil that Valvoline claims to be as good as Castrol Edge. I might just take the Mobil 1 0W-30 back and get the Valvoline. Check out the Valvoline web site here:

http://www.valvoline.com/synpower-wearprotection/index.asp?utm_source=brandpage&utm_medium=landingpage&utm_campaign=synpower%2Bpromotion&gclid=CPn97-n0hZoCFRAhDQodIH5oFQ

baconbits · « **Reply #58 on:** April 23, 2009, 12:17:01 AM »

from the Mobile one site..

Mobil 1 5W-30

The Mobil 1 5W-30 grade delivers the viscosity recommended for most General Motors vehicles and many imports. Mobil 1 5W-30 is the first choice of premium car manufacturers, including Corvette. Mobil 1 5W-30 meets:

GM 6094M, GM 4718M (Corvette spec)
Ford WSS-M2C929-A
Honda HTO-06
ACEA A1/B1
ILSAC GF-4 (API Certified - Starburst

lil goat · « **Reply #59 on:** April 23, 2009, 08:03:49 AM »

Quote from: baconbits on April 23, 2009, 12:17:01 AM

from the Mobile one site..

Mobil 1 5W-30

The Mobil 1 5W-30 grade delivers the viscosity recommended for most General Motors vehicles and many imports. Mobil 1 5W-30 is the first choice of premium car manufacturers, including Corvette. Mobil 1 5W-30 meets:

GM 6094M, GM 4718M (Corvette spec)
Ford WSS-M2C929-A
Honda HTO-06
ACEA A1/B1
ILSAC GF-4 (API Certified - Starburst

OK this is a ridiculous statement "5W-30 grade delivers the viscosity recommended" 5-30 is the viscosity of course 5-30 delivers 5-30, WTF, nothing against Mobil 1 but that is a stupid statement and they do pay GM to use Mobil 1 and endorse it. Just like the super bowl guys get paid to say they are going to Disney World. Don't get me started on the API, those clowns are also getting paid by lobbyists for there stupid rules that allow non synthetic oil to be sold labeled as synthetic. Only in America, the European standard says if it says synthetic it has to be 100% synthetic or labeled as a blend. That is why BMW sells there own Mobil 1 at the dealerships that costs three times as much as the Mobil 1 from Walley world (twice as much for the oil and then add more on for the BMW label), it's 100% synthetic meets the European standard.

Lucy'sDaddy · « **Reply #60 on:** April 23, 2009, 09:17:55 PM »

BLA, BLA, BLA! The LABEL does NOT have the GM4718M approved rating ANYWHERE on it! ONLY the 0W-30 "Advanced Fuel Economy" does! I don't give a rat's a_s WHAT their web site says, they REMOVED their rating from the container.

THEREFORE, MOBIL 1 5w-30 IS NOT APPROVED FOR THE 2.0L LNF ENGINES.
Mobil 1 or not, the warranty says you MUST use a GM4718M approved oil, or your warranty is VOID. PERIOD!

And I am NOT putting 0W-30 in the GXP. I bought it for my L67 3.8 S/C in my Intimidator SS, which doesn't have motor oil going through the blower like the LNF does with the turbo. And I believe I am going to return it and get the Valvoline Synpower instead.

tazz · « **Reply #61 on:** May 10, 2009, 09:47:37 PM »

Think I found a place that will sell 1/2 case 6qts of RP 5W30 for $40. If I can verify this Im going to buy a full case. That's about $6.50 a qt which is cheap for RP.

KWhale · « **Reply #62 on:** May 11, 2009, 06:54:24 PM »

I forgot about this thread. I checked my bottles of Mobile 1, and here in Canada they still have the GM4718M seal of approval on them. I may have gotten some old oil though, not sure.

Critterman · « **Reply #63 on:** May 11, 2009, 09:08:17 PM »

Well you don't get today's sunlight until the day after tomorrow so it is possible.

Sol Asylum · « **Reply #64 on:** May 11, 2009, 09:19:15 PM »

Quote from: Critterman on May 11, 2009, 09:08:17 PM

Well you don't get today's sunlight until the day after tomorrow so it is possible.

Oh now you tell me I was trying to get tomorrows sunlight yesterday because it was kind of cloudy and I wanted to go driving top down. Is this because the sun is in Canada and is stuck waiting for Baconbits to get out of his driveway?

Canadian Prime Minister SA

KWhale · « **Reply #65 on:** May 12, 2009, 02:47:49 AM »

Actually, you guys aren't far off. In the winter we only get something like 7 1/2 hours of sun, but in the summer...oh baby!! The sun is lightening the sky at 3:30 in the morning, and it's not dark until almost 11 pm. You can work until 5pm and still have about 6 hours of sunlight left for top down cruisin when you get off work!!

We actually have time to get to the end of the driveway and back in daylight, if we start early enough.

tazz · « **Reply #66 on:** May 12, 2009, 05:54:07 PM »

I was doing some more reading on Royal Purple and I came across something saying they found Molybdenum in RP oil. The Molybdenum would explain the reason why the oil has good anti wear properties as well as the Trademark Synerlec being able to adhere to the engine parts. With that being said I also had heard that solids used to increase anti wear properties could clog passage ways over time so I decided to email RP and this was there response.

From: mterry11
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 12:28 PM
To: rpautotech
Cc: rpindtech@royalpurple.com
Subject: Automotive Question

I'm looking for a great Syn oil for my OEM application in a 5W30 weight.
There are some requirements that I need met though.
First and foremost it CANNOT CONTAIN MOLYBDENIUM OR TEFLON IN ANY FORM PERIOD!
[DC] We do not contain any solids such as molybdenum disulfide, molybdenum solids, Teflon, graphite, etc.
Our motor oils will contain a synthesized liquid moly in about 100 ppm that is part of an oxidation inhibitor package - but it does not have any solids.

It has to be compatible with all oils Syn or Conventional that I might have used.
[DC] Not a problem - our motor oils contain man-made hydrocarbons that mimic the refined hydrocarbons of conventional oils or other automotive synthetics - such as the Mobil 1 that you mention next. It's a used car but only used Mobil1 Syn.

Has to be Turbo approved.
[DC] All of products can handle the higher temperatures of a turbocharger. we have been used in turbocharged engines since the late 80's. Pontiac is not the first vehicle to have a turbocharger......

Has to be GM approved for use in a Turbo Pontiac Solstice GXP.
[DC] We have chosen to stay with the API SL Service Classification in our RP 5W30 Motor Oil. The API SL has 25-30% more antiwear additives than the GM recommended API SM oil. We technically do not meet the Solstice warranty requirement that GM has imposed - realize the API SM was designed to prolong the theoretical life of the exhaust system components (catalytic converter) at the expense of reducing the wear protection of the engine and turbocharger.
Can be used with GM DIC system where it monitors oil via an algorithm which tells the owner when to change the oil which may be as soon as 2K or as long as 10K.
[DC] The GM OLM system is measuring how 'you' drive - not the physical condition of the oil.
It looks at air inlet temp, coolant temp, oil temp, throttle position (time at idle, time under heavy acceleration, time at steady state highway cruising), time of key on to key off(short interval driving), and so on.
Can be extended to up to 10K oil change with a filter change at 5K.
[DC] Yes, we would recommend up to once per year or 12,000 miles
Got anything that will fit the bill?
[DC]
RP SAE 5W30 Motor Oil, part #01530.
See our corporate warranty for the statement on the API SM / GF-4 ratings.
Thanks

From: mterry11
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 3:01 PM
To: David Canitz
Subject: Re: RE:06 or newer Soltice

Thanks for your quick reply.
One more ? I have.
If the Synthesized liquid Moly is used as part of a oxidation inhibitor package does it still help in the area of engine wear where it possibly would coat internal parts of the engine helping in less wear on cold starts and since it's not in solid form it's shouldn't build up correct?
Thanks a bunch.

Yes, This component is synergistic and does not leave any buildup on parts.
I have over 400,000 miles of experience with this component in my turbocharged diesels since coming to work at RP 17 years ago.

The RP Motor Oils contain our Synerlec additive package which imparts a higher oil film strength giving 4 times the squeeze pressure of a normal oil film.
This helps to stop wear on your engine.
We have been used in Ferrari's, Lamborghini's, Zonda's Corvettes, Porsche's in race winning vehicles around the world.

Cheers,
\
David

David Canitz
Tech Services
Royal Purple Inc.
1 Royal Purple lane
Porter, TX 77365
281.354.8600
713.725.7207 cell
dcanitz@royalpurple.com

Ben L · « **Reply #67 on:** May 13, 2009, 09:46:30 AM »

Now that's a useful and informative post. Thanks Tazz!

lil goat · « **Reply #68 on:** May 20, 2009, 08:14:44 AM »

I have a Harley as well as the GXP and I have a lot of faith in the guy who works on it, I have a WAY MORE mods on the motor than the GXP. He and I were talking the other day, he told me they are seeing higher temps than they used to from Mobil 1, we talked about there change to "fully synthetic". He is an RP dealer so he figured he would see if it made a difference, on many of the bikes he works on they have an upgraded computer and actually record head temps (like mine), not just oil. These are AIR COOLED engines of course and you want to talk about stressing a motor oil head temps are commonly over 300 degrees. He did see a reduction in head temps from using the RP of almost 10 degrees, that is a lot for just different oil. He saw pretty much the same from Bel-Ray another 100% syn. He said the Harley Oil they sell as syn, was about the same as the Mobil 1 it is actually Sunoco. He is using the 20-50 RP motorcycle oil, but I thought this was interesting. We are going to test the RP XPR racing oil with the additives that do not meet GM specs and will mess up your cat next in my bike. This is what I run in my GXP, I have no cat so no worries.

I in no way am saying that Mobil 1 is bad oil, it meets or exceeds what most cars need, and works great for the average car, if you push your car to the edge like some of us do there maybe be better performance oils.

snaponbob · « **Reply #69 on:** May 20, 2009, 09:06:54 AM »

I posted elsewhere on this site my recent real world experience about a partial oil pump failure on my 85K mile Chevy van. THAT was a serious tress test for Mobil 1. Only time will tell, but with visible damage or trash in pan, Mobil 1 but its job well beyond an SM rating!! If I had a REAL race car RP would be in it but boy am I happy with Mobil 1.

Gregory · « **Reply #70 on:** June 17, 2011, 10:49:21 AM »

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/K-N-performance-Oil-Filter-HP-7000-3-pack-filters-/350468831262?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&fits=Make:Saturn|Model:Sky&hash=item519991f81e#ht_6053wt_952
Does this oil filter fit our car? Is it a good filter?

Critterman · « **Reply #71 on:** June 17, 2011, 11:34:51 AM »

It will fit a Pontiac GXP and a Saturn REDLINE, I would then have to assume it would fit the Opel GT

POS VETT · « **Reply #72 on:** June 17, 2011, 11:43:03 AM »

It's probably a good filter but it's friggin' expensive. The only times I used K&N oil filter were when Advance/Autozone included it in their oil change special.

Gregory · « **Reply #73 on:** June 17, 2011, 12:05:59 PM »

I cannot find anything cheaper except the ACDelco cause of the shipping...

Three oil filters are good for two years so I think it is worth the extra euros

Thank to all of you

TomatoSoup · « **Reply #74 on:** June 17, 2011, 12:36:55 PM »

Surely you can get these filters cheaper (than this) locally, either at a Opel/GM or Saab dealer? Even if they have to mail them to you?

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Author Topic: Oil Change ?'s (Read 30859 times)

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