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Trifecta Tune
« on: February 06, 2012, 12:34:39 PM »
Getting very close to pulling the trigger on the Trifecta Select-a-Tune and was wondering for those of you who have it what psi did you have it tuned for. He offers a 25-27 psi option on his site. Is this too high? Would a few psi lower to better for longevity of turbo or engine? I wouldn't mind having to replace the turbo if it goes bad the engine, not so much.
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Re: Trifecta Tune
« Reply #1 on: February 06, 2012, 12:45:41 PM »
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Re: Trifecta Tune
« Reply #2 on: February 06, 2012, 01:10:33 PM »
Has there been any confirmation on that? I thought Trifecta was a safe tune, Was it caused by the upgraded sensors from the GMPP? When running with the Trifecta engaged are any of the GMPP tune elements still engaged? I have heard and personally suspect the GMPP is not particularly safe but I have not heard anything bad about Trifecta until now. Thanks for any input.
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Re: Trifecta Tune
« Reply #3 on: February 06, 2012, 01:22:39 PM »
On the other hand going with HP tuners would allow me to tune the wife's redline as well as my GXP for less. The major downside is I know absolutely nothing about tuning...
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Re: Trifecta Tune
« Reply #4 on: February 06, 2012, 01:32:42 PM »
only one way to learn!

And if im not mistaken it was Blacksunshine that had issues with his motor losing compression after GMPP+Trifecta. Others probably know more about this than I do. I just remember that "it happened" and someone commented that GMPP+ Trifecta was the only common denominator.
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Re: Trifecta Tune
« Reply #5 on: February 06, 2012, 02:50:21 PM »
i have a Trifecta tune, hit 28 psi and my car is still running (weekend car)...
i haven't got as much knowledge as most guys here, neither have i gone to a dyno, but i have seen other tuned kappas blow their engine.
i recently asked from Trifecta a milder tune at 24 psi, coz i think 28 psi could be too much.
custom tunes depends on what you are looking for in terms of boost and power (and other features as well)

it is true though that if you get an HPtuners you can have more tuning options
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Re: Trifecta Tune
« Reply #6 on: February 06, 2012, 03:24:42 PM »
Gmpp tune for 10 months, ran flawlessly.
Trifecta Infinaboost dyno tune over GMPP 28-30 psi for 27 months, ran flawlessly.
22,000 miles without a hitch.

If you are going to tune, put it on a dyno. That is about the safest you can be over all.
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Re: Trifecta Tune
« Reply #7 on: February 06, 2012, 06:40:46 PM »
Quote from: U4EA on February 06, 2012, 03:24:42 PM
Gmpp tune for 10 months, ran flawlessly.
Trifecta Infinaboost dyno tune over GMPP 28-30 psi for 27 months, ran flawlessly.
22,000 miles without a hitch.

If you are going to tune, put it on a dyno. That is about the safest you can be over all.

So you had yours dyno tuned? Does it have to be tuned by a Trifecta authorized dealer? There is a Trifecta authorized dealer not too far away but I have not heard good things about him. I've had my GMPP for about 50K miles now and as far as I know it has been problem free (except not liking the turbo threaded rod mod). My wife also had the GMPP and needed a new engine at about 40K miles but unknown whether it had anything to do with the GMPP and probably never will know the cause of failure.
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Re: Trifecta Tune
« Reply #8 on: February 06, 2012, 07:42:18 PM »
vince dosnt do the Infinaboost tune anymore
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Re: Trifecta Tune
« Reply #9 on: February 06, 2012, 08:09:16 PM »
Quote from: Brazen17 on February 06, 2012, 06:40:46 PM
So you had yours dyno tuned? Does it have to be tuned by a Trifecta authorized dealer? There is a Trifecta authorized dealer not too far away but I have not heard good things about him. I've had my GMPP for about 50K miles now and as far as I know it has been problem free (except not liking the turbo threaded rod mod). My wife also had the GMPP and needed a new engine at about 40K miles but unknown whether it had anything to do with the GMPP and probably never will know the cause of failure.

Yes, tuned on the dyno. No, you can load and log tunes and send them to Vince but you need his cable and the driver to make it work. If you don't buy the cable He ships you a device to enable you load your tune etc. and you ship it back. I have a cable available if you need it.
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Re: Trifecta Tune
« Reply #10 on: February 06, 2012, 10:53:46 PM »
Quote from: miller11386 on February 06, 2012, 12:45:41 PM
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 :worms: :worms: Wow. Be careful because statements like that are a good way to get yourself in legal trouble. Trifecta is a tuner with a very solid reputation and huge customer base/experience. Trifecta is extremely popular for the lnf engine, especially in the cobalts and hhr's and it found its way into the solstice crowd. I've never seen any pattern of blown engines related to the Trifecta tune. And I can't find any information on the net about a pattern either.

The only blown lnf pattern I've seen is the well known issue that stock pistons are weak for higher hp applications (>300 hp).
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Re: Trifecta Tune
« Reply #11 on: February 06, 2012, 11:23:46 PM »
Don't know why people say GMPP + [fill in the blank]. Once a new tune is loaded in the ECM, whatever was there is gone.
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« Reply #12 on: February 07, 2012, 01:48:24 AM »
Two things I need to address separately here. 

1.  SOB- you are right and wrong.  The tuner will tweak several ( maybe even several hundred) parameters of a tune. They are not able to tweak all of the parameters.  Therefore, when someone tunes a car with the GMPP tune, some or most of the GMPP tune will remain.  If the tuner uses the stock tune to tune from (assuming the owner of the car has the file) then the above will not be the case, as the GMPP tune parameters will not be in the ECM.



2.  Miller-
While you and I have had a scratchy relationship, mostly in fun, I can not stand by and have you calling out a product the way you did.  You state to the OP to avoid a trifecta tune and go on to suggest that trifecta tunes lead to engine failures.  In your next post, you admit to having absolutely no factual data to back it up.

Think of it like this:

Hey everybody, don't ever buy a Cub Cadet Tank because the blades come off and will chop off the head of your neighbors dog if you don't use 89 Octane.  Instead, look at Toro or John Deere.

Just an absolutely ridiculous statement that is completely unfounded, potentially damaging to the reputation of the company and not based in reality.  Unacceptable.

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Re: Trifecta Tune
« Reply #13 on: February 07, 2012, 03:21:53 AM »
I had DDM tune my car with Hp Tuners
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Re: Trifecta Tune
« Reply #14 on: February 07, 2012, 07:02:46 AM »


Edit: I removed my comment, I was remembering the "too many lnf's failing" thread started by arabas. It was discussed that any tune over GMPP was seeming to be the link...
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Re: Trifecta Tune
« Reply #15 on: February 07, 2012, 07:45:34 AM »
Quote from: snaponbob on February 06, 2012, 11:23:46 PM
Don't know why people say GMPP + [fill in the blank]. Once a new tune is loaded in the ECM, whatever was there is gone.
I was able to toggle between the GMPP tune and Trifecta tune at the push of a button. Trifecta tune was stealth, the base tune is still  on the ecm to be able to do this I would think.
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Re: Trifecta Tune
« Reply #16 on: February 07, 2012, 08:52:36 AM »
I was under the implication that the 3 bar sensors were part of the cause.
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Re: Trifecta Tune
« Reply #17 on: February 07, 2012, 09:27:47 AM »
 miller 11386  Careful there Don't want to get caught with your Foot in the Wrong Place.
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Re: Trifecta Tune
« Reply #18 on: February 07, 2012, 10:31:38 AM »
I cannot remember off the top of my head how many blown motors we have read about on these forums.

 How many of those were stock?  I can think of at least one Sky because he had a hell of a time getting the motor replaced under warranttee,

How many where on the 3 bar sensor with or without a tune on top of the factory tune.

BBS lost a motor I think he had the 3bar not sure if he had a tune on the tune
1LI - lost a motor 3bar I think he had a tune on the tune
the guy whose wife Sol with the GMPP lost a motor, but his Sky with GMPP tune is fine.
Anyone esle?

There just isnt enough information to form a guess much less and informed opinion.   Just my  :2c:
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Re: Trifecta Tune
« Reply #19 on: February 07, 2012, 10:46:16 AM »
Quote from: Critterman on February 07, 2012, 10:31:38 AM
I cannot remember off the top of my head how many blown motors we have read about on these forums.

 How many of those were stock?  I can think of at least one Sky because he had a hell of a time getting the motor replaced under warranttee,

How many where on the 3 bar sensor with or without a tune on top of the factory tune.

BBS lost a motor I think he had the 3bar not sure if he had a tune on the tune
1LI - lost a motor 3bar I think he had a tune on the tune
the guy whose wife Sol with the GMPP lost a motor, but his Sky with GMPP tune is fine.
Anyone esle?

There just isnt enough information to form a guess much less and informed opinion.   Just my  :2c:

If you are referring to me it was my wife's redline whose engine failed while my GXP seems to be fine (six of one half a dozen of the other  :D ). We both have the GMPP tune.

Seems to me if you can have the Trifecta Select-a-Tune then the new tune can't overwrite the old one. They probably share some parameters but both tunes must be there otherwise you couldn't choose between the two, yes?

Given what I know I still feel confident in Trifecta. So...back the the original question. Does 25-27 psi seem reasonable with the stock internals and turbo?

Big thanks to everyone for the help!
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Re: Trifecta Tune
« Reply #20 on: February 07, 2012, 10:52:57 AM »
Quote from: U4EA on February 06, 2012, 08:09:16 PM
Yes, tuned on the dyno. No, you can load and log tunes and send them to Vince but you need his cable and the driver to make it work. If you don't buy the cable He ships you a device to enable you load your tune etc. and you ship it back. I have a cable available if you need it.

Thanks for the offer! I may take you up on it. I know about the cable being needed but what is the "driver" you mention? Is it the software?
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Re: Trifecta Tune
« Reply #21 on: February 07, 2012, 10:54:30 AM »
Quote from: 2.0 tspeed on February 06, 2012, 07:42:18 PM
vince dosnt do the Infinaboost tune anymore

I will have to double-check that. It is still offered on the order form.
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Re: Trifecta Tune
« Reply #22 on: February 07, 2012, 10:58:20 AM »
It used to be thought that the OS on the ECM was completely different with the GMPP tune, but it's really just a couple of parameters to accommodate for the 3bars.

I am not 100% sure of the details, but you can do a search on the HPT forums to find it.

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Re: Trifecta Tune
« Reply #23 on: February 07, 2012, 11:29:07 AM »
I thought it was you Brazen, but wasn't sure.  And yes I did have the cars backwards.
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Re: Trifecta Tune
« Reply #24 on: February 07, 2012, 11:43:37 AM »
 :worms:  Obviously the GXP 2.0's are built to higher standards than redline 2.0's... :rofl:
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