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Clutch Going Out?
« on: October 09, 2012, 03:40:57 PM »
What are the symptoms of the clutch getting ready to kick the bucket? Besides the car not moving!  :D Maybe I should ask what are the beginning symptoms...
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Re: Clutch Going Out?
« Reply #1 on: October 09, 2012, 03:46:03 PM »
What are the symptoms of the clutch getting ready to kick the bucket? Besides the car not moving!  :D Maybe I should ask what are the beginning symptoms...
here's a couple:
1) rpm's going up and mph staying same or less 2) burning smell

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Re: Clutch Going Out?
« Reply #2 on: October 09, 2012, 07:02:36 PM »
Usually slipage in a higher gear, when you I try to accelerate
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Re: Clutch Going Out?
« Reply #3 on: October 09, 2012, 10:48:39 PM »
I think both of your answers hit the nail on the head. Crap!
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Re: Clutch Going Out?
« Reply #4 on: October 10, 2012, 05:50:52 AM »
How many miles on your car?

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Re: Clutch Going Out?
« Reply #5 on: October 10, 2012, 08:36:33 AM »
How many miles on your car?

65000. And I drive with a fairly heavy foot. And I might have added a Trifecta tune....   :D
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Re: Clutch Going Out?
« Reply #6 on: October 10, 2012, 08:54:42 AM »
Same here, must be the heat in Vegas.  I'm over 86k miles on stock clutch :knock:

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Re: Clutch Going Out?
« Reply #7 on: October 10, 2012, 10:18:14 AM »
Could be my shifting technique as well. I probably feather it to much.
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Re: Clutch Going Out?
« Reply #8 on: October 10, 2012, 10:28:44 AM »
What do you mean 'feather it too much' ?? I don't understand. :(
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Re: Clutch Going Out?
« Reply #9 on: October 10, 2012, 10:38:16 AM »
I refer to it as engaging the clutch slower so as to make the shift between gears smoother. I may have ended up putting a glaze on the clutch. I've heard aggressive shifting is less stressful. Don't know if that is true or not but it kind of makes sense. Of course it would put more stress on the drivetrain...
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Re: Clutch Going Out?
« Reply #10 on: October 10, 2012, 10:41:22 AM »
Ah..NOW I get it. Thanks! Love this forum :)
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Re: Clutch Going Out?
« Reply #11 on: October 10, 2012, 11:58:38 AM »
I refer to it as engaging the clutch slower so as to make the shift between gears smoother. I may have ended up putting a glaze on the clutch. I've heard aggressive shifting is less stressful. Don't know if that is true or not but it kind of makes sense. Of course it would put more stress on the drivetrain...

Clutch lining glazing and failure comes from slippage and heat build up. Drag racing shifts will kill one pretty quick, as will allowing any slip at any other time such as shifting.  When it is fully engaged, it doesn't wear.
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Re: Clutch Going Out?
« Reply #12 on: October 10, 2012, 02:49:02 PM »
You have to take your foot off the clutch pedal every so often :)  :poke:
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Re: Clutch Going Out?
« Reply #13 on: October 11, 2012, 12:08:20 PM »
You have to take your foot off the clutch pedal every so often :)  :poke:

My technique could use some work...  :thumbs:

I probably did most the damage in the first few thousand miles. The last time I drove a manual was in 1985.  :gaah:
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Re: Clutch Going Out?
« Reply #14 on: October 11, 2012, 01:08:50 PM »
Do you stand on the clutch at stops?  In my experience that will wear out a clutch much faster then if you put it in neutral and let the clutch out.
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Re: Clutch Going Out?
« Reply #15 on: October 11, 2012, 01:21:59 PM »
Do you stand on the clutch at stops?  In my experience that will wear out a clutch much faster then if you put it in neutral and let the clutch out.

Not all the time but I often do. I tend to fidget between holding the clutch and putting it in neutral and if it is a long redlight I might go back and forth several times. Maybe I'm borderline ADD?  That would be interesting if true. The clutch thing not the ADD...
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Re: Clutch Going Out?
« Reply #16 on: October 11, 2012, 01:32:35 PM »
It would wear if you don't have it 100 % disengaged.  You could have a very light contact and not even know it.
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Re: Clutch Going Out?
« Reply #17 on: October 11, 2012, 01:44:22 PM »
You know, sometimes when I shift between first and 2nd, such as at a stoplight, it feels like the car moves ever so slightly so you might be on to something there. It doesn't do it everytime but certainly does sometimes.
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Re: Clutch Going Out?
« Reply #18 on: October 11, 2012, 03:34:20 PM »
Your causing wear even if the disc is 100% disengaged however the wear will be to the pressure plate and release bearing.
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Re: Clutch Going Out?
« Reply #19 on: October 11, 2012, 04:35:02 PM »
Is this adjustable? If I install a higher performance clutch (or even a stock clutch) I don't want it to wear out any sooner than necessary.
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Re: Clutch Going Out?
« Reply #20 on: October 11, 2012, 07:45:28 PM »
nope no adjustments.  It is self adjusting hydraulic clutch
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Re: Clutch Going Out?
« Reply #21 on: October 11, 2012, 08:10:03 PM »
Clutch lining glazing and failure comes from slippage and heat build up. Drag racing shifts will kill one pretty quick, as will allowing any slip at any other time such as shifting.  When it is fully engaged, it doesn't wear.
How is that? Quick shifts engage the clutch fully.  I have over 100 trips down the drag strip, daily driver and still on first clutch

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Re: Clutch Going Out?
« Reply #22 on: October 11, 2012, 09:24:51 PM »
Full throttle shifts allow slippage but the main wear is getting off the line.
We almost never wear out a disc in road racing.
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Re: Clutch Going Out?
« Reply #23 on: October 12, 2012, 10:13:27 AM »
I never had a problem in my car.  But I don't have my car anymore.  So maybe I have a problem with the car now?
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Re: Clutch Going Out?
« Reply #24 on: October 12, 2012, 11:09:24 AM »
Wasn't your's an auto?
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