Author Topic: How did the testing of the Westers tune with GMPP sensors go? (Read 11799 times)

ryanmd · « **on:** March 18, 2009, 04:16:39 PM »

I remember this posted somewhere, don't remember which thread.

snaponbob · « **Reply #1 on:** March 18, 2009, 04:32:26 PM »

According to Lyndon (yesterday on the phone) there has yet to be any. Either he is playing poker with me (why should he?) or we are dealing with urban myth.

LatinVenom · « **Reply #2 on:** March 18, 2009, 05:43:00 PM »

I think he maybe playing poker because it seems Chuckdoc and at least another member seem to hint they are testing this combination.
Also the 255kpa been also taken care off... etc.

DeepBlueGXP · « **Reply #3 on:** March 18, 2009, 06:40:10 PM »

Yet another weekend fowled by rain, we couldn't test. Chuckdoc doesn't want to install it an run, we need a good fair weather day to test it and respond to Lyndon.

chuckdoc · « **Reply #4 on:** March 18, 2009, 07:03:44 PM »

yes guys, it is not an urban myth. I have the tune (well it is on Joe's computer) and we just have not had any decent weather on a day when I can go to Joes. It has rained us out 3 times in a row.

Also I was concerned with one of the comments about TSB's that was posted concerning throwing an engine code if the tuned ECM was modified. I need to copy it and send it to Lyndon to see what he thinks. We only have the description of the TSB and can not find someone who actually has it.

Here is the one: "08-06-04-033B AUG 08 Engine Controls - ECM/TCM Aftermarket Calibration ID"

Joe, can you email lyndon and see what he thinks?

snaponbob · « **Reply #5 on:** March 18, 2009, 07:35:53 PM »

Well, let me ask this. Is this a "here, please try this", or is based on his testing on a GMPP equipped car in his shop?

DirtyMike · « **Reply #6 on:** March 18, 2009, 09:24:17 PM »

has lyndon tried with out the gmpp kit, like with aftermarket sensors with the same tuning to get past the current kpa limit? or only trying with the gmp. i'd hate to drop another several hundred for the kit and dealer installation.

DeepBlueGXP · « **Reply #7 on:** March 18, 2009, 10:18:24 PM »

He has a ChuckDoc's tune that I read and sent to him and he modified it and sent it back for testing. He basically did the same thing he did to the regular tune, took off the nanny's and sent it back... Now if we could only hook up and test. ChuckDoc is a little apprehensive with the above TSB notice. Randy or Dave, do you have that TSB?

baconbits · « **Reply #8 on:** March 19, 2009, 12:04:59 AM »

I found this..don't know if it helps but it does explain the procedure..

Here is info from GM

Corporate Bulletin Number 08-06-04-033 is currently available in SI.

Identifying Aftermarket Engine Calibrations 2.0L, 2.2L, 2.4L, 2.8L, 2.9L, 3.0L, 3.1L, 3.2L, 3.4L,
3.5L, 3.6L, 3.8L, 3.9L, 4.2L, 4.3L, 4.4L, 4.6L, 4.8L, 5.0L, 5.3L, 5.7L, 6.0L, 6.2L, 7.0L, 7.4L, 8.1L
Gas Powered Engines Only

Models: 2006–2009 GM Passenger Cars and Light Duty Trucks
2006–2009 HUMMER H2, H3
Excluding Pontiac Vibe, G8, Chevrolet Aveo, All Saturn and Saab Models

Important: This bulletin applies to Gas Powered Engines ONLY. For Diesel Powered Engines, refer to Service Bulletin #08-06-04-006A.

If a suspicious hard part failure is observed in the engine, transmission, transfer case or driveline, perform the calibration verification described to determine if a non-GM issued engine calibration is installed. Non-GM issued engine calibrations subject driveline components to stresses different than the calibrations which these components were validated to. Repairs to transmission, transfer case and/or other driveline components where a non-GM engine calibration has been verified are not covered under the terms of the New Vehicle Warranty.

Instructions for Confirming Calibration Verification Number (CVN):

1. Go to TIS2WEB
2. Select "Calibration Information (SPS Info)"
3. Enter VIN
4. Select "Get Cal ID"
5. Select "ECM Engine Control Module"
6. Select "Next"
7. Select "Complete History"
8. Print
9. Take the printout to the vehicle along with the Tech 2®
10. Plug in the Tech 2®
11. Go to diagnostics and build the vehicle
12. Select "Powertrain"
13. Select "Engine"
14. *Select "Engine Control Module" or "PCM"
15. *Select "Module ID Information" or "I/M Information System" if module ID information selection is not available.
16. *If "I/M information System" was selected in step 15, it may be necessary to select "Vehicle Information" in order to display the calibration information.
17. Compare the calibration ID and Calibration Verification Numbers (CVN) to the Calibration Verification Numbers (CVN) on the printout.

* Steps may vary by controller.

Although the part numbers will be the same for each, it's the CVN that will determine if the calibration is GM issued. If ALL of the CVN's are EXACTLY the same, the calibration is GM issued.

If the part numbers match and ANY CVN's DO NOT match the printout, it is likely that a non-GM certified calibration has been installed.

If the CVN information is displayed as "N/A", it will be necessary to contact the TCSC to obtain the CVN information.

If a non-GM calibration is found to be in the ECM (CVN's on the Tech 2 do not match TIS printout) - In order to document the case — a CLEAR digital picture should be taken of the Tech 2® screen showing the VIN and the CVN's that do not match the TIS2WEB printout. The picture, VIN and reason the vehicle is currently in for service should be emailed to JAY.DANKOVICH@GM.COM and STEVEN.R. BRIDSON@GM.COM for verification. Please copy your GM District Service Manager (DVM) on the e-mail. GM will verify if the CVN's are not GM issued and respond via e-mail within 72 hours.
its been posted but here it is:

lil goat · « **Reply #9 on:** March 19, 2009, 08:33:34 AM »

Even reading that TSB I am not sure they can tell, GM makes more 2.0's than the just the LNF, some have no turbo and no Bosch ECM only the LNF 2.0, it says the test does not work on all Saturn's, or Saab's that means it doesn't work on a Sky, any Sky. The Saab's also use the same ECM and turbo as the Solstice. I do not believe the Tech II can tell if our Bosch ECM's have been tuned, just because it is not a GM part. I am sure they will be able to at some point, but I think they have other problems that they need to worry about. I also have no doubt that with that TSB Lyndon can copy the appropriate data into the right places. This would be why he wants the original tune for each car to modify and doesn't just install a canned tune like lots of other tuners do. I will try and stop by the dealership and see if they can tell, they already know I have a tune. My next question is if can they tell if you put the factory tune back that it was tuned. I know Lyndon can, and the factory can but can you with a Tech II.

snaponbob · « **Reply #10 on:** March 19, 2009, 08:42:02 AM »

Maybe I'll run my RL over to my Saturn store and ask them to hook up and look. They unofficially KNOW I have a tune, and they KNOW if something breaks that when they see the car it will have a stock tune in it, and it's "cool" because they are actually learning a few things from the car and me. I'll let you know what happens.

As for the TSB, all the verbage is in the PRESENT tense. I can't see where there is an indication that the ECM can show it has been tuned and then DE-tuned.Equally interesting is the exclusion list.

edit: Just looked at the exclusion list again. It's rediculous !!!!!!!! Only the Astra is unique among the Saturns. So, why are the Malibu, Acadia/Traverse, and Solstice not on the list.

chuckdoc · « **Reply #11 on:** March 19, 2009, 10:05:18 AM »

ok, I knew all about that tsb. That is old news. Now that I know it is nothing new I am ready to hook up this weekend if it is good for joe. I was worried that it was a change that would throw a code.

Cheers · « **Reply #12 on:** March 19, 2009, 10:18:31 AM »

Just go for it

lil goat · « **Reply #13 on:** March 19, 2009, 02:36:20 PM »

I just got a note from Lyndon, he said the tune will make you taller Chuck!

chuckdoc · « **Reply #14 on:** March 19, 2009, 02:44:22 PM »

that's just what I always needed but I will lose my guest spot on little people big world if I go over 3 feet

Go-N Def · « **Reply #15 on:** March 19, 2009, 05:03:53 PM »

That's ok, you'll still be able to keep you spot. The tune only adds 11.5" to your height.....

chuckdoc · « **Reply #16 on:** April 05, 2009, 09:47:24 PM »

Ok guys, I tested the Westers tune of the GM tune today, lots of pull and it was really smooth but did have a couple of problems. Joe emailed the HP tuner recordings of a couple of our runs up to around 80 mph at WOT.

Waiting for a new tune with the problems resolved. He should have a lot of information with the stuff Joe sent him.

I know you all want to know what problems there were but I just wanted to wait until Lyndon got the data download before I posted anything. I would hate to see a rumor start about Lyndon's tunes have problems. They do not, this is just the very first tune of the new sensors and a couple of bugs have to be worked out.

Stay tuned, hey thats pretty good. Get it?

Go-N Def · « **Reply #17 on:** April 05, 2009, 11:05:00 PM »

Sounds like you had a little pun this weekend.....

Critterman · « **Reply #18 on:** April 05, 2009, 11:12:25 PM »

Anything Chuch has is little

spicy3480 · « **Reply #19 on:** April 06, 2009, 12:51:04 PM »

I am curious to see the end results...Chuck...can you PM me the issues you were having with it? I am curious if they are the same as I had in the very beginning testing out the first few tunes (2 years ago).

chuckdoc · « **Reply #20 on:** April 06, 2009, 08:14:09 PM »

Done. Can't wait for next version.

DeepBlueGXP · « **Reply #21 on:** April 06, 2009, 10:09:32 PM »

I just received the next version.

Critterman · « **Reply #22 on:** April 07, 2009, 09:19:47 AM »

and the weather forcast calls for rain until Sunday, which is Easter.

spicy3480 · « **Reply #23 on:** April 07, 2009, 10:00:48 AM »

Rain, rain, go away! Anxious to hear some results of the new tune and see what numbers it is putting down.

lil goat · « **Reply #24 on:** April 07, 2009, 10:13:32 AM »

I want the sun to come out in Tiley, Alberta so Lyndon can get his GXP out of storage and get his GMPP kit installed. Even he doesn't know what potenial there is in the kit yet.

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