Topic: GMPP Tune for GXP and Redlines

[lil goat]

Lyndon is here on the board you can PM him, or as always send him and email. I know he has been trying to get his own copy of the tune and sensors, not sure it is available in Canada yet. He will be modifying the tune very soon, the hitch is getting the sensors, I think they will be available eventually from GM, but from what I have seen the will be in the $150 -$200 range each, and you need 2. It may almost be easier to buy the kit, and then run Lyndons tune instead of the GM. It is mostly a matter of finding a source for the 3 BAR TMAP sensors, other than GM. Bosch Part # 0 281 002 845, supposed to be used on Alfa Romeo 159 1.9 JTD. I have had no luck finding it even with the Bosch part number. Maybe someone over seas can find it easier.

[2kwk4u]

Hey... I'm overseas!     There's an Alfa dealership not too far from me.  I'll stop by there sometime soon and see if I can't work through the language barrier and find out price/availability for the TMAP sensors. 

To be honest, I'm afraid they'll be ridiculously expensive.  For some reason, I think car parts are taxed all to hell in Germany.  For example, I stopped at an Opel dealership this summer hoping to pick up the shorty antenna cheap (as if $12 online isn't cheap enough).  They wanted something like 25 Euro for it.  At the time with the exchange rate that put it at $40.

On a side note, an internet search shows that there's an Alfa dealership in York, PA.  Not sure how accurate that is... doubt they'll stock (or even be able to order) those sensors, since the 159 isn't a North American market car...

do you know what model year 159 those sensors are supposed to be on?  JTD sounds like it's a turbo diesel application.  I don't know very much about the cars.  See them every once in awhile. 

[Critterman]

Road trip!   York is about 70 miles, I have a guy working for me that lives near there i will see if he knows of a dealer

[lil goat]

Yes York isn't far, been they many times, that's where my Harley was born. If we can get an Alfa part number, that would be great. There is a place in Charllotsville, VA. International Auto Parts, that sells Alfa parts. I emailed them. It is great to have some help, I have found lots of Bosch 3 BAR MAP sensors, even MSD makes one. The one on our car the IAT is part of the MAP sensor so not so easy to find.

[snaponbob]

Really interesting, Chuck !    Keep me posted on 'learn in' ... Do you know when we sent you your last tune ? We've had some more crazyness for you to test...but now you've got new parts, so... ! Steve has been sending me pics of his front tires 'stopped' and rears just a fryin'. Yes, he's an auto car, too.

Lyndon, will you be offering any of your tuning services to the GM tune? Or will you be "using" some of their features in your software?

[snaponbob]

Yes York isn't far, been they many times, that's where my Harley was born. If we can get an Alfa part number, that would be great. There is a place in Charllotsville, VA. International Auto Parts, that sells Alfa parts. I emailed them. It is great to have some help, I have found lots of Bosch 3 BAR MAP sensors, even MSD makes one. The one on our car the IAT is part of the MAP sensor so not so easy to find.

Since those are Bosch peices in the GM tune hardware package, can't a Bosch vendor order it, or must it be a car dealer?

[lil goat]

Yes any Bosch dealer might be able to order them, but I can't even find the part listed on the Bosch website, unless we were given the wrong part number. For right now, even with the GM part number you can't order them from GM.

[2kwk4u]

That just reminded me.  If I'm not mistaken, there's a Bosch autoparts store not far from my house.  I can take that part number there and see if they can get ahold of it as well.

[Wester's Garage]

Lyndon, will you be offering any of your tuning services to the GM tune? Or will you be "using" some of their features in your software?

Definitely. It was -35C here again this morning...Hope to get my car back to the shop so we can restrap it to the dyno as soon as we hit a little better temp.

[snaponbob]

Check you PM, please.

[Pep]

Could it be possible that Saab here in the states carry those parts, doesnt saab also use the 2.0 turbo and the larger one 2.2 or 2.4 turbo ecotech in thier cars. GM owns that too, so maybe they might use those sensors. We should look into it, or am I just totally off the wall. :)I think they call the saab motor the vvtech which is basicly the same as the ecotech. The vv stands for variable valve timing,and they use direct injection too.

[2kwk4u]

Just spoke to my Bosch Car Service store a few minutes ago.  They don't stock the sensors, but they can order them.  My price (I don't have to pay the 19% VAT 'sales tax') is 90 Euro each.  With today's exchange rate, that $130 a pop.  So we have a source for the sensors, if need be for the next few months while I'm still living over here.  Now we have to find the right weatherpak connectors and terminals.  That shouldn't be TOO difficult...

Chances are, though, that someone will discover another source for the sensors that will be cheaper.  If not, I'm standing by...

[Pep]

That's great, I have been trying to find them, and I've had no luck. I'm even toying with the idea that some other vehicle in the GM family can possibly be using those exact sensors and we don't even know it, but I'm sure with more time we will be able to find them, or even order them from GM.That's if they are still around ...LOL

[snaponbob]

Could it be possible that Saab here in the states carry those parts, doesnt saab also use the 2.0 turbo and the larger one 2.2 or 2.4 turbo ecotech in thier cars. GM owns that too, so maybe they might use those sensors. We should look into it, or am I just totally off the wall. :)I think they call the saab motor the vvtech which is basicly the same as the ecotech. The vv stands for variable valve timing,and they use direct injection too.

1) 2kwk4u is working a lead I gave him.
2) This sensor is not used on Saabs. And the 2.0 in the Saab is not the same engine we have. Here is what the sensor is for http://www.meat-doria.com/en/product_meat/82211 .

[Pep]

1) 2kwk4u is working a lead I gave him.
2) This sensor is not used on Saabs. And the 2.0 in the Saab is not the same engine we have. Here is what the sensor is for http://www.meat-doria.com/en/product_meat/82211 .

That's awesome how much do they sell it for? I've been looking but wasn't able to find it local.

[2kwk4u]

I have an inquiry in to see if they'll even sell it direct to end consumers.  Hopefully I get an answer soon.  If not today, I fear it might be the first of the year before they get back to me.

[2kwk4u]

Update:

Well, unfortunately I struck out with Meat & Doria.  They did e-mail me back and give me a POC for a distributor in Germany.  I called that distributor, and to my surprise, his English was excellent.  So I have no doubt that he clearly understood all of my questions and is unable to sell directly to me OR ship internationally to a certain business in Canada.

So that puts us back to my retail source here...  The search continues.

[snaponbob]

That's awesome how much do they sell it for? I've been looking but wasn't able to find it local.

Don't know yet. 2kwk is in Germany and has sent an e-mail to the parts supplier in Italy, and so have I. Frankly, I am not optimistic about getting these out of Europe. As information comes my way it will be shared.

edit: Just got this e-mail from 2kwk. Not so good. Here is the e-mail -------

Bob,
 
Unfortunately, this looks like a dead end.  I called the German distributor that Walter referred me to.  He cannot sell to me directly.  I asked about international shipping direct to a Canadian business (thinking of Westers), but that's a no-go as well.
 
So we're back to the Bosch auto parts store...  I'll check out that Alfa dealership sometime soon as well.
 
Sorry,
 
Scott
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Walter Raimondi
To: Scott and Chrissie Presson
Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 2:41 PM
Subject: Re: Order inquiry


Hello Scott,

thank you very much for your inquiry.

For your information we do not sell directly to private people, please contact the following distributor in Germany to make an inquiry.

AUTOTEILE  POST  AG      
FUGGERSTRASSE 9-11    
41352  KORSCHENBROICH        
Fon +49-2161-995732      

I am wishing you a Merry Christmas and a very happy and prosperous 2009

kind regards,

Walter Raimondi
Export Manager

Direct Dial   +39 011 9614 314




Scott and Chrissie Presson ha scritto:
Walter,
 
Do you sell parts only to businesses, or can you sell directly to end users?  I would like to order some pressure sensors from your catalog (Hoffer code 7472211 / Bosch part number 0 281 002 845).  I am an American Military member living in Germany.  I have a German address and a US address.  You can ship to either one, whichever is easier or less expensive.
 
If you can sell directly to me, how many of these sensors will I need to purchase as a minimum order?  What is the cost per sensor?
 
Grazie mille,
 
Scott Presson


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[snaponbob]

And here is the e-mail I received from Italy. (Don't you just LOVE the interwebs!!!!)

Check THIS out. Looks like GM bought a bunch of these things !!!!!!!!!


To: Bob Buxbaum <snaponbob@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Alfa pressure sensor
X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Dec 2008 15:19:34.0299 (UTC) FILETIME=[DC6166B0:01C96511]

Hello Bob,

thank you for your email. I am sorry but I cannot supply my parts to private persons.
Also, I do not have the availability of my part number 82211 now.

Wishing you a merry Christmas and a very happy new year

Kind regards,
Walter Raimondi

[Chiss]

Hmmm... If you had given him a business name I wonder if anything would be have been different. 

[snaponbob]

Hmmm... If you had given him a business name I wonder if anything would be have been different. 

No. They would not even ship to Wester's. It was asked.

[Pep]

It's so funny, why is this sensor so topsecret and not available. :huh:People can buy military firearms easier than this sensor, it must be in high demand to the auto industry, probably why it's so limited to the public, at least for the time being, they want us to get it from the dealer only.If you go to the Bosch company website this is fairly new technology  , and they even show the sensor there with specs, this thing is in high demand so it might make it difficult to buy more than one at a time.

[2kwk4u]

It's so funny, why is this sensor so topsecret and not available. :huh:People can buy military firearms easier than this sensor, it must be in high demand to the auto industry, probably why it's so limited to the public, at least for the time being, they want us to get it from the dealer only.If you go to the Bosch company website this is fairly new technology  , and they even show the sensor there with specs, this thing is in high demand so it might make it difficult to buy more than one at a time.

Whoa!  I think it may just be new to the domestic market is all.  I don't think there's any real purposeful conspiracy.  I have the same problems finding parts for my American cars in Germany. 

[Pep]

Whoa!  I think it may just be new to the domestic market is all.  I don't think there's any real purposeful conspiracy.  I have the same problems finding parts for my American cars in Germany. 

I agree I was just joking, this use of tmaps is not new for diesel turbo engines, but it is fairly new here in the states, because it helps with better ecm control for gas engines thus helping gain better fuel economy, at least that's what was said in the bosch website. Regular map sensors have been around for a while, but the technology of using map sensors in conjunction with Tmaps is new from what I understand, to gain a cleaner burn for better fuel economy. Something we in this great country are finally starting to realize, but that's old news in Europe where fuel cost so much more.

[lil goat]

OK here is what has floated to the top, it will cost at a minimum $250 to buy the sensors in Europe and that is with some one time discounts. Figure more that that if we want more than one set. Then if you figure shipping and the hassle for someone to go and get them. It works out better for most of us to just buy the whole kit from Crate Engine Depot or somewhere else. I think that is what Lyndon is going to do, and me too. If you ever sell the car you can put the factory GMPP tune back in it and the new owner is good to go with GM.