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Carnauba Car Wax vs. Paint Sealants
« on: January 26, 2009, 04:22:59 AM »
I copied this from Autogeek.net, there is a lot of great info in it. I use both a sealant, and carnuba on my car I use the Klasse sealant then layer Frenzy white carnuba on top of it. I am not nearly as skilled or obcessive as some, but it is the dead of winter and I haven't washed my car in at least a month. It still looks good and has no water spots. It is parked outside all the time and driven daily.

Learn the facts on Car wax!

You have two basic choices when it comes to paint protection: carnauba wax or synthetic paint sealant. Here you’ll find information on each so you can choose the paint protection that’s right for you.

Carnauba Waxes
Carnauba wax is the preferred car wax of collectors and concours enthusiasts because it creates a rich, warm glow. It doesn’t appear to sit on the paint. It transforms the paint into a deep, liquid pool that shimmers under changing light conditions. The more carnauba wax, the more shine.

The wax is produced by the Brazilian Tree of Life, a palm tree, in order to coat its leaves. The wax provides protection from the sweltering sun and it sheds water so it falls onto the ground and is absorbed by the tree’s roots. If you think back to junior high science class, you might remember that plants absorb oxygen through their leaves. For this reason, carnauba wax is breathable. Good for the tree and good for your paint. 
 
Carnauba is rock hard in its natural form. When the leaves of the Tree of Life are harvested, the wax flakes off as the leaves dry out, or they are put into a machine that removes the wax. It comes off in hard flakes. Car Wax makers have to blend the wax with oils, petroleum distillates, or a solvent called naptha (commonly used to thin wood varnishes and paints) in order to make the wax workable. The very best carnauba-based car wax is only about 1/3 natural carnauba. It’s probably for the best since the price gets higher and higher as the concentration of carnauba rises. When a product advertises “pure carnauba car wax” or “100% carnauba car wax”, they are referring to the purity of the carnauba that is in the product, not the product as a whole. One example is Mother’s California Gold Pure Carnauba Paste Wax.

That brings us to grading. Carnauba is harvested and then graded according to color, purity, and where it was grown. Trees grown in the northern area of Brazil produce the highest grade carnauba. The yellow wax is the most pure and therefore receives the highest grade. This is the grade most commonly used in high end car waxes and in the pharmaceutical industry as a pill coating.


Some manufacturers refine the yellow wax again into an ultra-pure white wax to ensure that the wax produces the clearest, most reflective gloss once applied to the paint. Such is the case with Pinnacle Souveran and Pinnacle Signature Series II.
 
As you’ve already read, carnauba protects the leaves of a palm tree from the intense heat and humidity experienced in Brazil. The carnauba car wax repels water and, consequently, most contaminants. When applied to any surface, carnauba retains these characteristics. Therefore, an application of a carnauba-based car wax to your vehicle will protect it from UV rays, heat, moisture, oxidation, and environmental contamination. And it looks like a million bucks!

The drawback of carnauba waxes, if you can call it a drawback, is that it does not last as long as a synthetic sealant. A carnauba car wax finish will wear off in approximately 6 to 8 weeks. It depends heavily on the climate in which you live and whether or not your vehicle is garaged. Daily commutes in a hot, humid climate mean a shorter life span for your carnauba wax coat. If you enjoy regular waxing, then the life span of a carnauba wax is just one more reason to indulge in your favorite hobby! 
Pinnacle Souverän™ sets the standard
for carnauba paste waxes!

In a nutshell, carnauba car wax is the wax of enthusiasts. It appeals to people who want the absolute most stunning show car shine available and are willing to spend a couple of hours every month or so to get it. Most of them will tell you it is time well spent.
 
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Paint Sealants
Paint sealants are kind of the anti-carnauba. They last a lot longer, they are easy to apply, and there’s nothing natural about them. This is surface science at its best.

A paint sealant is made of polymers, which are composed of tens of thousands of synthetic particles that are linked together. When a sealant bonds to your vehicle’s paint, it forms a rigid shell. It is not the warm carnauba that seems to melt into the paint. Paint sealants sit on top of the paint like a transparent chain metal suit. They are glossy and slick, but carnauba lovers will tell you they do not have the warmth and depth of a carnauba.

Paint sealants have gotten progressively more popular as time goes on. Some people really love the hard-as-glass look. In an industry that is driven by technology, it seems appropriate that an engineered paint protector is the new favorite among the younger generation of detailers. 
 
However, the real selling point of a paint sealant is the durability. A premium paint sealant can last 4 to 6 months, sometimes longer. Klasse High Gloss Sealant Glaze, for example, can last up to 12 months. Wolfgang Deep Gloss Paint Sealant 3.0 lasts the more typical 4 to 6 months. By “last”, I mean that water will continue to bead and the paint will remain protected from UV rays and contamination. For people that spend more time driving than detailing, the paint sealant is the way to go.

Paint sealants are extremely easy to apply. They are always in liquid form and they spread easily by hand or with a polisher. This time-saving feature makes paint sealants an attractive choice for those who like instant gratification, and who doesn’t?

As you’ve seen, there are a lot of differences between paint sealants and natural carnauba waxes. Glassy, hard shell or deep, liquid shine? Six months or six weeks? These are the basic questions you have to answer before selecting your paint protection. 
 
However, a growing number of enthusiasts simply refuse to choose. Instead, they coat their vehicles with a layer of sealant for long-lasting protection and then top it with a layer of carnauba for the dazzling shine. Even if you forget to reapply carnauba in 6 weeks, your paint won’t suffer. The Forum Favorite Kit will give a prime example of the shine you can get from a sealant topped with a carnauba. It’s the perfect marriage of beauty and longevity!

Remember, paint protection is one of your vehicle’s basic necessities. No matter what kind of product you choose.
 
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Re: Carnauba Car Wax vs. Paint Sealants
« Reply #1 on: January 26, 2009, 05:45:21 AM »
Thanks for posting this Goat.  Very informative and as soon as the weather breaks here in the northeast, I think I'm going to try some of the carnuba on top of my sealant.  I'm anxious to hear from others, like Go-N-Def and Dark Tech, about this article.
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Re: Carnauba Car Wax vs. Paint Sealants
« Reply #2 on: January 26, 2009, 05:53:41 AM »
Good find! Thanks for posting it.

I'm in the "Refuse to Choose" category. Of course, my sealant aplication doesn't usually last more than a month.  I'm also in the OCD category and end up taking it down to the paint quite often...

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Re: Carnauba Car Wax vs. Paint Sealants
« Reply #3 on: January 26, 2009, 05:56:48 AM »
Thanks for posting this Goat.  Very informative and as soon as the weather breaks here in the northeast, I think I'm going to try some of the carnuba on top of my sealant.  I'm anxious to hear from others, like Go-N-Def and Dark Tech, about his article.
I definitely think that's the way to go Whip.  It's the same process I spelled out in my "How to: Go from Daily Driver to Show Car" sticky...

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Re: Carnauba Car Wax vs. Paint Sealants
« Reply #4 on: January 26, 2009, 06:15:22 AM »
I use the Klasse sealant just because it is an acrylic sealant, guess what else is made of acrylic, the clear coat. The Klasse really does last a long time, and it seems to work very well under the carnuba, the Klasse by it self looks OK but I have seen better, but nothing I have tried lasts as long. I just like the way the Frenzy goes on and it seems to water spot less than most I have used, it is a carnuba sealant blend original made for fiberglass boats. They tend to get a few water spots.

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Re: Carnauba Car Wax vs. Paint Sealants
« Reply #5 on: January 26, 2009, 03:18:57 PM »
I have heard only good things about the Klasse sealant.  I too am part of the 'refuse to choose' group.  A good carnuba on top of a good sealant is hard to beat.

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Re: Carnauba Car Wax vs. Paint Sealants
« Reply #6 on: January 26, 2009, 03:45:19 PM »
 some of what was said about wax is not true ... it does not disappear or wear off by itself or sitting in the sun... what happens and why people think they need to re-wax is that the oils in the wax which help create the gloss and slickness evaporate leaving the finish to look a bit dull and not have surface tension (ie beading) ... the wax just like a sealant needs to be physically removed ... it can happen by frequent washing as the washing process is an abrasive one, or it can happen by polishing, or strong chemicals. They also protect differently ... the natural wax tends to protect better against bird droppings and sap, where sealants tend to resist sun and chemical fallout in the air, or what some people call acid rain. For the enthusiast or OCD like Go-N Def   :D... the product choice should come down to ease of use and looks. Garaged, weekend and show vehicles also fall into this category. 
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Re: Carnauba Car Wax vs. Paint Sealants
« Reply #7 on: January 26, 2009, 04:16:56 PM »
Why do I feel that the POT just called the KETTLE "black"???

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« Reply #8 on: January 26, 2009, 04:46:04 PM »
Why do I feel that the POT just called the KETTLE "black"???

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because it did :D
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Re: Carnauba Car Wax vs. Paint Sealants
« Reply #9 on: January 27, 2009, 02:01:40 AM »
For me it's all about water spots, I hate water spots. I have tried several different products to fight the dreaded spots. I am not OCD, car gets a good polish and wax about twice a year and refresher waxing about once a month in the summer. I use a sealant twice a year after the polish, then use a sealant and carnuba combination. I think I may take things up a notch this year and layer some Natty's Red or Dodo Juice on top this summer. My car never looks as good as Go-N Def's when it's clean, but mine looks better when it's dirty. I had a black Solstice, it was harder to take care of than my x-wife, yellow is more forgiving of my rather drive it that wash it lifestyle but I still want it to look good.

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Re: Carnauba Car Wax vs. Paint Sealants
« Reply #10 on: January 27, 2009, 11:11:20 AM »
sometimes the water spots are not from the product you are using but rather from what's in the rain in your area.  Water spots usually a generated by the minerals in the rain water. If your area tends to have hard water for drinking, then you probably will get water spots when it rains. Living near industrial areas will increase the pollutants in the air and the best remedy is to spray a quick detailer on to the car before drying and/ or try to dry the car before the sun starts to bake the spots in.
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Re: Carnauba Car Wax vs. Paint Sealants
« Reply #11 on: January 28, 2009, 12:20:42 AM »
I have solved the waterspot problem, I put a portable water softener for an RV on the hose I use to wash the car. I also use the foam gun and bucket of clear water method to wash the car. That has made more difference than anything else. I don't get water spots with what I am using now so I have become fearful of trying new stuff, least they come back.

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Re: Carnauba Car Wax vs. Paint Sealants
« Reply #12 on: January 28, 2009, 03:03:03 AM »
Try the Natty's red lilgoat.  It's good stuff and works great over the poorboys sealants.
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Re: Carnauba Car Wax vs. Paint Sealants
« Reply #13 on: January 28, 2009, 03:17:50 AM »
That's what I was looking at, I'm not the type to spend $70 on a can of wax. I like to Poorboys products, but I don't use there sealant. I have tried the EX and the EX-P.

 

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