Author Topic: Bigger turbo, more aiflow but not more HP?! (Read 124220 times)

40rtyp · « **Reply #125 on:** May 21, 2012, 01:02:40 AM »

Who is tuning you again???

Kelu · « **Reply #126 on:** May 21, 2012, 09:09:26 AM »

Started to work with Westers but he was keeping to forget things and switched to a local tuner. So is not someone from LNF world, just a local guy who is specialized in tuning Subarus and stand alone management systems.

Kelu · « **Reply #127 on:** May 26, 2012, 11:42:52 AM »

Checked compression of the engine today:
- 10 bars (145psi) after 3 turns
- 12 bars (175psi) after 5 turns (maximum)
All cylinders were identical

After all the beating and races the engine is still strong

Different note, ordered a different turbo, 4th in the row

GT3071 with welded wastegated so I can use the 38mm external Tial one. I wanted a GTX3071 but the price is almost double for this and the deal for the GT3071 was way too good to miss and free delivery in 3 days

Why you might ask? Well the turbo which I have now is way too big and is under compressor efficiency.

elff · « **Reply #128 on:** May 26, 2012, 01:10:22 PM »

Cool Good Luck with that.

miller11386 · « **Reply #129 on:** May 26, 2012, 01:34:09 PM »

Hope it works better for you kelu... i hope this one makes the power right where you need it! (and i love the tial WG

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Gentleman Jack · « **Reply #130 on:** May 26, 2012, 11:42:54 PM »

Wow. Kelu, so many different turbos... good thing you don't change women that often. You'd really be in trouble!

Hope this one works out for you. Looking forward to reviews and dyno results.

Arabas · « **Reply #131 on:** May 27, 2012, 05:19:22 AM »

One more turbo???? Looking forward to your new set up! Hope you get the results u r looking for

johnnys · « **Reply #132 on:** May 27, 2012, 06:20:31 AM »

I am still with the stock one so if you have a spare i will appreciate it!

Kelu · « **Reply #133 on:** May 27, 2012, 07:13:35 AM »

The only spare turbo is the stock one

) you want that? I have it for sale

40rtyp · « **Reply #134 on:** May 27, 2012, 09:50:04 AM »

Kelu, send me your steering wheel, lol.

elff · « **Reply #135 on:** May 27, 2012, 10:08:09 AM »

Kelu

Will this new turbo be installed by june 8th?
No Reason

Kelu · « **Reply #136 on:** May 27, 2012, 01:07:30 PM »

Quote from: 40rtyp on May 27, 2012, 09:50:04 AM

Kelu, send me your steering wheel, lol.

Huh? why you need my steering wheel? Is same like yours

elff: I think so, not sure if tune for it will be finished until than

miller11386 · « **Reply #137 on:** May 27, 2012, 03:35:07 PM »

just did some research on the 3071.... looks like you will have some epic power from 4k-6k.. after 6.5k the 3076 seems to fall off.. so im guessing your smaller turbine side will fall off a bit sooner. Good news is it should be a lot more usable powerband for you

Reference: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v224/jrod@buschur/TURCOMP1020.jpg

Kelu · « **Reply #138 on:** May 27, 2012, 04:17:04 PM »

Miller I hope you won't call me hater after this reply:

The turbo characteristics can be read from compressor map:
http://www.turbobygarrett.com/turbobygarrett/sites/default/files/default_images/turbogroup/performance_maps/700382-3&20comp.jpg

Or by turbine map:
http://www.turbobygarrett.com/turbobygarrett/sites/default/files/default_images/turbogroup/performance_maps/GT3071R_turb.jpg

What you posted is a dyno of different turbos: HTA3076, HTA3082 and HTA3582 (even they might have same base they are different turbos) on different engines (I guess is evo) with unknown mods and unknown fuel which makes them completely irrelevant.

Also theoretically versus practical results vary a lot, using 3 turbos and struggling for about 1 year to reach my goals taught me just to see the real world end results and not to inhale others results.

miller11386 · « **Reply #139 on:** May 27, 2012, 04:30:41 PM »

im not saying that you are going to make XYZ power on a 3071, in that case i would agree with your statement. I know the car this was on. and what fuel, other mods, etc.

All i am saying the optimal power band for the 3071 should be spooling from before 3500 and hit peak at ab 4k and keep making power all the way to 6500ish.. past that it will be out of breath, but our motors cannot spin as high as the one in the dyno chart.

All im saying is it should be a good fit for your application.

As far as turbine maps and compressor maps, they are a good basis to compare one turbo to another, however, being a mfg engineer, i like the "real world studies" more.

Sorry to bother you with such irrelevent information.

Kelu · « **Reply #140 on:** May 27, 2012, 04:52:14 PM »

Quote from: miller11386 on May 27, 2012, 04:30:41 PM

All i am saying the optimal power band for the 3071 should be spooling from before 3500 and hit peak at ab 4k and keep making power all the way to 6500ish.. past that it will be out of breath, but our motors cannot spin as high as the one in the dyno chart.

All im saying is it should be a good fit for your application.

Yes, I agree with this, IF I succeed to make it to push max. boost before 4000rpm and keep it flowing at that level up to 6500rpm would be perfect and benefit from our engine construction who were designed to output maximum in that range. But ... there is an IF

40rtyp · « **Reply #141 on:** May 27, 2012, 06:47:36 PM »

Quote from: Kelu on May 27, 2012, 01:07:30 PM

Huh? why you need my steering wheel? Is same like yours

elff: I think so, not sure if tune for it will be finished until than

You have the Saturn wheel?

Kelu · « **Reply #142 on:** May 27, 2012, 07:16:50 PM »

Quote from: 40rtyp on May 27, 2012, 06:47:36 PM

You have the Saturn wheel?

No sir, but I don't have an oem steering wheel anymore, this is what I have

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Do you still want it?

The difference is just a thin metal with Opel logo which got destroyed when I removed it

Sick and tired of local reactions "Uh oh, this is an Opel", now they are "what is this? a corvette, a porsche or a lotus"

Sol Asylum · « **Reply #143 on:** May 27, 2012, 09:39:06 PM »

That's clearly a question mark so it has to be the Riddler's car.

ihawk95 · « **Reply #144 on:** May 29, 2012, 11:35:29 PM »

Quote from: Sol Asylum on May 27, 2012, 09:39:06 PM

That's clearly a question mark so it has to be the Riddler's car.

(Image removed from quote.)

Why is it the Ambigously Gay Duo cartoon is now playing in my head???

Kelu · « **Reply #145 on:** May 30, 2012, 05:35:11 PM »

No no no, no drifting, please keep it in a straight

elff · « **Reply #146 on:** May 30, 2012, 06:07:05 PM »

HAHAHAHA

It's like the clutch is being blipped and the thread is just holding on.......

Gentleman Jack · « **Reply #147 on:** May 30, 2012, 09:10:20 PM »

I think Robin had a bigger turbo than Batman and that's why Batman was always jealous.

ihawk95 · « **Reply #148 on:** May 30, 2012, 10:12:23 PM »

KaPow!

Woooosh....Pop!

See...I'm trying to keep it on the track. The last 2 are legit turbo sounds!

Sol Asylum · « **Reply #149 on:** May 30, 2012, 11:11:21 PM »

Quote from: ihawk95 on May 30, 2012, 10:12:23 PM

KaPow!

Was that the sound Millers car made just before he took it to DDM?

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