Topic: Autowerks tune!!! 285WHP!!! and you get HP tuner and sensors!!

[nanank5]

heres an amazing deal guys they say with a DP and exhaust you get 285WHP that is wheel horsepower, seems amazing and i emailed him asked him what about a bone stock sky he said 265 275WHP so i was looking at the trifecta and westers which are the 2 most used, until i found this but heres whats really really great about it, you get a hp tuner!! worth a bunch of money in itself and 2 bosh sensors, and i emailed him anbd asked him how they can get more hp than trifecta an westers and he said with the sensors they can run 26psi so this is a 26 psi tune producing a bunch of power and it seems that westers and trifecta race tune costs 500+ dolars and you dont get to keep the hp tuner and you dont get sensors, so performance auto wers wells this kit for 575 i emailed him asked him what if i get more ppl to buy it this is what he said "

OH By the way!!! i emailed him and heres what he said!!!!!! guys let me know if any are interested

""If you get 5 people to buy the same time as yours I can knock the price down to $500.00 shipped which is pretty much my cost. On 93 octane You will be spiking to 26psi falling back to 22 or so at redline""


that is 500 shipped!!!!!!! any one interested?


oh and even greater he said you get free updates! just send them a log and he will do tweaking hes a really great guy so we need just 3 more ppl for this great deal! any interested? pm me

[Kelu]

I don't want to start a rant here, I just want to inform you and other interested in this.
I have Westers with a last update from summer with stock sensors, my DIC shows 25psi (maximum which can show) and I think I make more psi that ECU sees.
Also logged my car with HPT on 2 Celsius (25 F) outside temperature and almost sea level and the MAP was showing 255 kPa (maximum read possible on our sensors).

Don't get impressed by dyno numbers, can vary a lot, I saw my car in the same condition varying from 250 whp up to 280 whp.

Don't take me wrong, that is a nice deal, I payed 500$ only for the HPTuners, sensors are some bucks also and you get a tune also for that price.

[wspohn]

The sensors are now available and don't cost much.
If you don't care about warranty, HP is an option. If you do, Trifecta seems to be the only game in town - same results and it is hidden.

The stock GMPP tune at 290 bhp is about 245 whp. The 265 whp they talk about would be around 310 at the flywheel, which I believe both Westers and Trifecta can match.  The top Trifecta tune is $400. I understand that either tuner can take advantage of the new sensors, but don't know how much difference it makes.

AFAIK you are only going to make a bit under 300whp no matter what the tuning, as long as you have the stock turbo unit.

[snaponbob]

Wspohn, you are about 100% correct. At SCCA Solo Nats last September I had 100 octane Sunoco in the tank, and when I dropped in the 96 octane tune (wanted to be conservative) I felt a SERIOUS increase in power. That is why I wrote, in another 300whp thread, that 300+whp was very doubtful with non-race gas.

[Kelu]

wspohn: you can be 100% warranty safe with Westers too or any other tuner, more safer than Trifecta actually. With a spare ECM which costs 150-200$.

[wspohn]

Kelu, I understand that, but believe there is risk in plugging these in and out. Apparently the contacts are not very rugged and if one breaks you are dead in the water.  They aren't meant for frequent swapping.  If you just keep the stock one for a safety back up you will probably be alright if you are careful if and when you do fit it.

[snaponbob]

Kelu, I understand that, but believe there is risk in plugging these in and out. Apparently the contacts are not very rugged and if one breaks you are dead in the water.  They aren't meant for frequent swapping.  If you just keep the stock one for a safety back up you will probably be alright if you are careful if and when you do fit it.

ABSOLUTELY. The pins on the ECU plug assembly are VERY small. With HPT the stock tune can go right back in the ECU any time you want.

[Kelu]

How many times do you need to swap the ECM in this case? once per year?

[U4EA]

With the Trifecta tune I only touch a button to return to factory tune, no swapping, no reprogramming.

Kelu, Westers tune is safer why? You may also put Trifecta on a spare ECM too. How is that safer?

[Kelu]

U4EA: you are correct, I was trying to stop wspohn to scare the new guys which are looking for a tune

[wspohn]

U4EA: you are correct, I was trying to stop wspohn to scare the new guys which are looking for a tune

How was I trying to scare them?  By telling that accurate truth?

Better that they make their decisions knowing what is true than being denied warranty later because they didn't know!

People should NEVER decide to buy a non-factory tune without understanding the risks.

[Kelu]

wspohn: i know sir, you took it too hard, i agree with what you said. You are the good angel in this, I tried to be the dark one 

[nanank5]

getting off topic.

okay guys lets think logically, the race tune from trifecta is about 600 with no hp tuner and npo sensors, and make less hp, so if you wanted the hp tuner you would have to pay another 500 and another 70 for the sensors so youre looking at 1000, with this tune you pay half, and make more hp and have a ho tuner for yourself, i know since alot of you have westers or trifecta youre going to say theirs is the best and what not, but i dont have any tune on my car and was doing some research seeing which in my mind would seem the best and this seems beter over all since you get 26 psi with this tune since youre using the sensors, you get, you make more HP, you get hp tuner, and you can get free updates.. im thinking logically, well you see i didnt think me stating that dave would let it go for 500 if i get 5 ppl to buy it but a couple of people out there when they read this i dont know why and totally disagree with what they did went to Dave and started crying about it and asking for a refund or something weird like that when Dave in the first place never even sold a unit for 500, Dave my appologies, didnt want to cause you any headaches which seems i caused, just thought i would get some people interested in this great product and great deal you have,

...nick

[wspohn]

okay guys lets think logically, the race tune from trifecta is about 600 with no hp tuner and npo sensors, and make less hp, so if you wanted the hp tuner you would have to pay another 500 and another 70 for the sensors so youre looking at 1000

Nope.  You buy the sensors for $70 and stick them in and then have Trifecta do the tune for $400, once.

If you are an indecisive sort and keep on changing hardware so you need to keep amending your tune, I agree that the HP way might be a better option, but you have to offset that against the ability to take a Trifecta tuned car in for warranty service without retuning, swapping ECMs or any other hassle.

[Imaj]

getting off topic.

okay guys lets think logically, the race tune from trifecta is about 600 with no hp tuner and npo sensors, and make less hp, so if you wanted the hp tuner you would have to pay another 500 and another 70 for the sensors so youre looking at 1000, with this tune you pay half, and make more hp and have a ho tuner for yourself, i know since alot of you have westers or trifecta youre going to say theirs is the best and what not, but i dont have any tune on my car and was doing some research seeing which in my mind would seem the best and this seems beter over all since you get 26 psi with this tune since youre using the sensors, you get, you make more HP, you get hp tuner, and you can get free updates.. im thinking logically, well you see i didnt think me stating that dave would let it go for 500 if i get 5 ppl to buy it but a couple of people out there when they read this i dont know why and totally disagree with what they did went to Dave and started crying about it and asking for a refund or something weird like that when Dave in the first place never even sold a unit for 500, Dave my appologies, didnt want to cause you any headaches which seems i caused, just thought i would get some people interested in this great product and great deal you have,

...nick

Nick,

Help me understand how the Trifecta tune makes less HP? I have the Trifecta tune and I am making 285HP at he wheels.

[snaponbob]

Here is something that seems unresolved. Has ANYBODY actually PROVEN that the 3 bar sensors DO provide a platform for more ANYTHING? Lyndon says there MAY be more but has only matched the stock MAP sensors. Vince SAYS there is more, but has admitted that LNF Kappas seemed capped at 26psi while LNF SSRs and Cobalts will boost higher. But more pressure does NOT provide more air as the stock turbo can only move "X" air. 

[Kelu]

the race tune from trifecta is about 600 with no hp tuner and npo sensors, and make less hp

I would be more careful about such statements, is hard to make a conclusion based on what? Dyno numbers are pretty relative and shouldn't be taken as an absolute value.

[nanank5]

okay im not gona say nything else... to me it just seemed like a great tune, its just... seems eveyone is happy with their tune, i was just looking moneywise, and seemed autowerks made sense, since you got the HP tuner, sensors and a tune taking advantage of the sensors, and cost wise was same maybe even a little less than other tunes, doesnt seem like we can have a normal discussion without people getting fired up who mostly have different tunes, and saying how great their tune is and im not saying theyre not they sem like great tunes but for the price and performance i ended up with autowerks after reviewing every other tune out there,

hope i didnt offend anybody but im done with this topic...

[Kelu]

Nobody said this is not a good deal even all of us are not tuned by werks but we are trying to make you understand that no tuner is the the best, the tastes and preferences are 

Hey, everyone which replied to this topic are tuned, except wspohn, every single person only tried to help you and other possible buyers of this. Nobody seemed offended except you. Start to understand the value of the information which I know lacks in your country and my country too and be thankful for that.

[nanank5]

Here is something that seems unresolved. Has ANYBODY actually PROVEN that the 3 bar sensors DO provide a platform for more ANYTHING? Lyndon says there MAY be more but has only matched the stock MAP sensors. Vince SAYS there is more, but has admitted that LNF Kappas seemed capped at 26psi while LNF SSRs and Cobalts will boost higher. But more pressure does NOT provide more air as the stock turbo can only move "X" air.  

well if youre boosting higher youre moving the X ammount of air... dont get what youre sayin.

[wspohn]

Hey, everyone which replied to this topic are tuned, except wspohn

I do have the GMPP tune, but people often overlook that one.

I agree with everything you wrote.

[snaponbob]

well if youre boosting higher youre moving the X ammount of air... dont get what youre sayin.

It WILL move SOME more air in the mid range. The stock turbo will NOT provide more than ~22psi pressure, and thus the available volume is (probably) not going to get more than 280-290 whp with 93 octane gas. BIGGER turbo WILL = more wtq and whp.

[U4EA]

I have the GMPP tune with the upgraded sensors with the Trifecta tune (that only cost me $325.00 through a local dealer) and often I'm seeing boost #s 27psi climbing to 30 psi. Is boosting that high doing me any good? Most likely not, except at the lower RPMs. I think the sensors only allow me to boost beyond stock threshold #s and not throw codes. They are nothing more than a safety blanket at this point.

[nanank5]

kelu you know theres a saying that a person that doesnt read the newspaper is alot more wel linformed than someone who reads it... thats because most of the countries are run by lies, and people are fed lies since theyre born until they die, but thats a  totally different subject, but in this case i totaly considered everything everyone said, and it does seem great for peope living in the us that they can go to a dealer or tuner and get their tunes, but since im in europe, having an hp tuner that can log data and send that to the tuner other than sending a cable from trifecta or the tuner they send back and fourth doesnt seem realistic to ship a cable overseas.. or tuner or whats used to tune the vehicle, anyways i was considering both westers and triecta but didnt know how i would send the hp tuner or software trifecta uses back and forth.

[Ed999]

I'm in on the deal, think we just need two more.  Anyone else interested in a discount?