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dead Battery
« on: October 30, 2010, 10:42:36 PM »
Went to DDM's , Got back on Sunday .On Monday went to start the solstice "Battery dead" .On Tuesday brought home a Booster box got it running to charge it up Let run for 1 1/2 hr.. went out later and was almost dead again was able to unlock doors ,tried to Start and got icon of Lock and window also an engine light. Anyone know what the Icon is ? going to books to try locating this. Haven't had time to start it yet will try in the morning.   :gaah:   :banghead: 
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Re: dead Battery
« Reply #1 on: October 31, 2010, 05:24:36 AM »
a GT owner here, reported that his battery went dead while driving and all his electronics went dead as well, esp, abs, dash board etc. this happened as he was cornering,depending on the esp to keep him on the road, so he had a majestic 360 spin.
the dealer reported dead battery and he had to replace it.
i found it hard to believe and i am curious if there is another problem with his electronics, but the dealer said definetely dead battery, so ...

i suggest to replace it asap and i believe the cel will come off if the battery is replaced.
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Re: dead Battery
« Reply #2 on: October 31, 2010, 11:46:43 AM »
Arabas ; Thanks it is still under warranty only 21,000 miles and 2 years old Dec 20th.I will take it back to dealer this week . Hope thats all it is..    Bobby
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Re: dead Battery
« Reply #3 on: October 31, 2010, 12:28:20 PM »
bobby,

The lock symbol is just a security light.  New battery and that will go away.  The problem you need to be looking for is what caused the battery to go dead.  A long drive back from DDM should have charged that battery very well.  What did DDM work on?  Perhaps a trunk light is stuck on?  Hood light?  It is possible the battery just pooped out, but not likely to be the only thing going on.  Have the dealer test the alternator while they have it, just in case something happened there.


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Re: dead Battery
« Reply #4 on: October 31, 2010, 01:19:17 PM »
Very good advice GJ
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Re: dead Battery
« Reply #5 on: October 31, 2010, 01:41:56 PM »
If you have a Multimeter you don't have to have the dealer test the alternator. When the car is running, place the multimeter on your + & - terminals. A Strong Alternator is over 14v , Normal is 13.5v, Low is 13v. So if your alternator is 13.5v or higher, your alternator is good.

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Re: dead Battery
« Reply #6 on: October 31, 2010, 01:52:50 PM »




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bobby,

The lock symbol is just a security light.  New battery and that will go away.  The problem you need to be looking for is what caused the battery to go dead.  A long drive back from DDM should have charged that battery very well.  What did DDM work on?  Perhaps a trunk light is stuck on?  Hood light?  It is possible the battery just pooped out, but not likely to be the only thing going on.  Have the dealer test the alternator while they have it, just in case something happened there.


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Thats well and ture But I didn't take the Sol .DDM was going to work on my PT (and never found time).When I came back tried to start and battery was dead.  started it with a Booster box and let it charge for about 1 1/2 hr . next morning unlocked and that was as far as the charge went .So taking to dealer
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Re: dead Battery
« Reply #7 on: October 31, 2010, 02:23:57 PM »
bobby,

Ok, same thing is true.  Something is causeing the battery drain.  That may have led to battery death, but in most cases, batteries don't just die after only two years.  I know, everyone is going to chime in with stories of batteries dieing in a month, 6 months etc.  I get it.  But that is abnormal. 

Bobby, you have all kinds of electrical mods if I recall?  Door sills, WR, hood lights, trunk lights etc.  Is the dealer going to go through all of those new connections?  Did you just leave something on?

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Re: dead Battery
« Reply #8 on: October 31, 2010, 03:32:40 PM »
Dashhawk or anything like that installed?  It will drain your battery in as little as a week in cool/cold weather.
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Re: dead Battery
« Reply #9 on: October 31, 2010, 03:53:29 PM »
bobby,

Ok, same thing is true.  Something is causeing the battery drain.  That may have led to battery death, but in most cases, batteries don't just die after only two years.  I know, everyone is going to chime in with stories of batteries dieing in a month, 6 months etc.  I get it.  But that is abnormal. 

Bobby, you have all kinds of electrical mods if I recall?  Door sills, WR, hood lights, trunk lights etc.  Is the dealer going to go through all of those new connections?  Did you just leave something on?

GJ

Bobby,
didn't you install DDM's trunk/hood light while you were at DDM?

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Re: dead Battery
« Reply #10 on: October 31, 2010, 09:16:54 PM »
Bobby,
didn't you install DDM's trunk/hood light while you were at DDM?

Mike ;  Yes I did   But the Sol Battery is the Issue Not the PT Cruiser. DUH   ( The Car they didn't get to)         :kwh:           :poke:    :lol:  
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Re: dead Battery
« Reply #11 on: November 01, 2010, 07:34:02 AM »
You guys kill me, how many threads have to be posted about the fact the factory batteries do this before you pay attention, mine did it, Jonymacs did it, and I have read at least 20 other threads. Not sure why but these batteries just suddenly quit and won't take a charge, some dealers will replace them, some won't. I just bought the best Die Hard Sears makes, 4 year freee replacemenet and 8 more pro rated, best $175 I have spent on the car, and yes there is an entire thread about it and the research I did choosing the battery.

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Re: dead Battery
« Reply #12 on: November 01, 2010, 09:24:06 AM »
 :goat: So there!!!  :lol:


Hey goat, should I buy one just in case?  :idk:

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Re: dead Battery
« Reply #13 on: November 02, 2010, 01:59:48 AM »
You guys kill me, how many threads have to be posted about the fact the factory batteries do this before you pay attention, mine did it, Jonymacs did it, and I have read at least 20 other threads. Not sure why but these batteries just suddenly quit and won't take a charge, some dealers will replace them, some won't. I just bought the best Die Hard Sears makes, 4 year freee replacemenet and 8 more pro rated, best $175 I have spent on the car, and yes there is an entire thread about it and the research I did choosing the battery.

Never seen such a thread.... that I remember.... much.... :)

PERHAPS Goat is right?  I mean, if you look at his track record, he has been right a time or two.  BUT, I still suggest you check everything just in case.

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Re: dead Battery
« Reply #14 on: November 02, 2010, 07:29:11 AM »
I can't remember what I called the thread, but I wrote it. I spent literally months researching batteries because I saw it coming, many on the BB have had the issue. One day the battery just won't charge, damnedest thing. Never seen a batery just die dead before.  I had to get a jump and drive to Sears in a snow storm to get a battery. After much research the Sears Platinum Die Hard turned out to be made by Odyssey, the highest rated battery by the car audio guys who really tax there batteries. Almost all batteries sold in the US are made by one of two manufacturers, Johnson Control or Exide, Johnson Control makes the Optima, and they are no better than any other now. Enersys makes the Odyssey and the Sears Platinum, only the Platinum series, the regular Die Hard is usually an Exide, but some are Johnson Controls. The Die Hard weighs more than the stock battery, but it also has almost twice the cold cranking amps. For some reason the suddenly dead problem only effects the GXP/Red Lines, but at 50,000 miles a new battery is not a bad idea if you make it that far, I didn't.

Here is the list,
Brand Manufacturer
ACDelco Johnson Controls
Advance Auto Johnson Controls
AutoCraft Johnson Controls
Autolite Exide
AutoZone Johnson Controls
Bosch Johnson Controls
Champion Johnson Controls
Costco Johnson Controls
Delco Johnson Controls
Delco-Remy Exide
DieHard Johnson Controls
Duralast Johnson Controls
Duralast Johnson Controls
Equalizer Johnson Controls
EverStart (Wal-Mart) Exide or Johnson Controls, depending on model
Firestone Johnson Controls
Interstate Johnson Controls
Marathon Exide
Motorcraft Johnson Controls
NAPA Exide
Optima Johnson Controls
Orbital Exide
Pep Boys Johnson Controls
Sears Exide or Johnson Controls, depending on model
Wal-Mart Exide or Johnson Controls, depending on model
Odyssey EnerSys
Sears Platinum EnerSys

I tend to pick up stuff from lots of different forums, I am on a Truck forum and car stereo forum too, the car stereo guys are the authority on batteries.
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Re: dead Battery
« Reply #15 on: November 02, 2010, 07:38:36 AM »
i have 20.000 miles on mine and 3 yrs.
it's a weekend car.
i am reaaly concerned about battery. i am thinking i should replace it, although i have no signs it dies.
car stays still for 2+ weeks and starts w/o any problem at all.
choosing a battery is a PITA for me. Dealer's battery costs $240.....
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Re: dead Battery
« Reply #16 on: November 02, 2010, 09:24:46 AM »
I had to get a jump and drive to Sears in a snow storm to get a battery. After much research the Sears Platinum Die Hard turned out to be made by Odyssey, the highest rated battery by the car audio guys who really tax there batteries.
Yes, if you look at the Consumer Reports Tire thread I started, there was a battery test in there also,  Sears Platinum's came top of every group they were in.
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Re: dead Battery
« Reply #17 on: November 02, 2010, 10:26:48 AM »
Consumers Report? The folks that DURING all the recalls and flap at Toyota reported how perfect Toyotas are?? (NOT a fan of C.U., as you might infer!!! And swore off Sears decades ago.)

Having learned a BUNCH about battery construction to better sell battery test equipment, I found that as batteries are getting ever smaller while producing a bunch of current output, they are becoming more prone to crapping out as people have experienced. Technically it is called "sh!t happens"!!!!! Certainly some manufacturers build better batteries than others, but even the best ones have an "average" life, and that means some last longer than others. I would respectfully suggest that just because a dealership SAYS there are no other issues than the battery does not always mean that this is accurate. Might be, but might not be. I know that my Sky has no abnormal parasitic draw (other than the keep alive voltages needed for the computers), yet if the car sits idle for more than a month, the battery starts getting low. (I have checked the car with direct reading and inductive milli-amp meters and all is within specs.) All that said, if a dealership is willing to replace a battery for free, take it !!!! But, if you have to buy your own, expensive batteries SHOULD last longer and usually do, but that is sure not a "given". Will a $200 battery REALLY be a good return on investment compared to a $100 battery? Iffy. Lastly, don't EVER buy a battery from the dealership for the same reason one should never buy a TIRE from a dealership  --  magnitudes more expensive than "street" prices.
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Re: dead Battery
« Reply #18 on: November 02, 2010, 01:32:48 PM »
Good advice SOB, I needed a deep cycle battery due to my stereo, Optima has gone to hell and is not even as good as a Costco battery, just over priced crap. Sears doesn't make batteries, and only there Platinum are made by Enersys, same battery with Odyssey name on it is $275, or $175 from Sears. I can not for the life of me figure why a Snap On guy would not love Craftsman, I mean Sears.

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Re: dead Battery
« Reply #19 on: November 02, 2010, 01:37:52 PM »
My battery  went dead around 30k. dealer replaced under warranty.
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Re: dead Battery
« Reply #20 on: November 02, 2010, 03:49:48 PM »
Mine went dead on the showroom floor.  Dealer replaced it before I picked the car up.
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Re: dead Battery
« Reply #21 on: November 02, 2010, 05:27:29 PM »
3yrs. 57k and still cranking strong.

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Re: dead Battery
« Reply #22 on: November 02, 2010, 06:31:47 PM »
Good advice SOB, I needed a deep cycle battery due to my stereo, Optima has gone to hell and is not even as good as a Costco battery, just over priced crap. Sears doesn't make batteries, and only there Platinum are made by Enersys, same battery with Odyssey name on it is $275, or $175 from Sears. I can not for the life of me figure why a Snap On guy would not love Craftsman, I mean Sears.

My disdain for Sears goes all the way back to the 70's, WELL before I even KNEW about Snap-On.
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Re: dead Battery
« Reply #23 on: November 02, 2010, 06:59:49 PM »
Ditto re Sears.  They are rip-off specialists.

I wonder if the short battery life has to do with its location.  Batteries hate heat and ours is located near the turbo and the cat (for those that have them).
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Re: dead Battery
« Reply #24 on: November 02, 2010, 07:55:25 PM »
Mine died at the 3 year mark, car couldn't sit for a week without needing a jump, unless I unhooked my dashhawk.  I forget what brand I get (from Pepboys) but it has a good warantee and isn't bothered by the dashhawk being plugged in.
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