Author Topic: E-85+Nitrous Yes or NO? (Read 10349 times)

Lithium · « **on:** February 20, 2012, 10:19:08 PM »

Was just tossing around the idea. I'm going to get tuned on E-85 once the weather warms up, but I was also thinking about running a sneaky pete 50shot. Is it possible and or safe to do both?

snaponbob · « **Reply #1 on:** February 20, 2012, 11:05:51 PM »

Don't

about LNFs failing because of a tune !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

On a serious note, there are already problems supplying enough fuel using E85. Introducing NOx without a further increase in fuel supply = kaBLAMo. You may want to throw that E85 tune in there to feel the results. It's strong. BTW, 50/50 mix of premium and E85 pretty much eliminates the cold start problems and still produces all the power with fewer fuel delivery problems.

shabby · « **Reply #2 on:** February 20, 2012, 11:16:06 PM »

If it was a wet shot you might be ok with the fueling issue. Personally i wouldn't bother with it unless you actually know what your doing and are actually tuning it yourself and constantly monitoring it.

snaponbob · « **Reply #3 on:** February 20, 2012, 11:38:52 PM »

SHEESH !!!! E85 and NOx. How much oxygen is TOO much oxygen? I am thinking ventilated pistons and/or pretzeled rods.

Lithium · « **Reply #4 on:** February 21, 2012, 01:25:48 AM »

Yeah, if I did it it would be a wet shot, I did some research and the sneaky pete system is dry shot, I thought it was just the small tank that can be hidden. Looks like a good amount of the E-85 guys are doing nitrous on the track now though, and I guess the results have been very impressive, but I don't know how our cars would react.

Gentleman Jack · « **Reply #5 on:** February 21, 2012, 02:20:58 AM »

They would probably react fantastically. As in : did you see that fire ball? That was Fantastic! But, you'd be going 135 mph trap speed and will have run a 11.2 quarter mile.

SKY888 · « **Reply #6 on:** February 21, 2012, 07:19:30 AM »

Quote from: Lithium on February 21, 2012, 01:25:48 AM

Yeah, if I did it it would be a wet shot, I did some research and the sneaky pete system is dry shot, I thought it was just the small tank that can be hidden. Looks like a good amount of the E-85 guys are doing nitrous on the track now though, and I guess the results have been very impressive, but I don't know how our cars would react.

E85 guys with a non-di platform are fine using it w/ Nitrous.

If I were you just like what the above guys said........just have a good E85 tune, and be done with it. Adding NOS (wet) on top of your E85 tune.....might ending up giving you some issues on your LNF platform

tazz · « **Reply #7 on:** February 21, 2012, 09:52:45 AM »

Were you thinking about doing full E85 or something like E20-E47 blend with NOX?
If your going with E20 to 50/50 blend more than likely you will not have any fueling issues with the NOX just as Shabby stated but I've never played with NOX so Im not the person to ask.

Kelu · « **Reply #8 on:** February 21, 2012, 02:55:37 PM »

If you need power increase only for races, go for Nitrous, imho with a strong and complete progressive system you can shoot 75hp even 100hp easy.

If you need more power overall, go with E85.

Lithium · « **Reply #9 on:** February 23, 2012, 04:44:55 PM »

I'm going E-85 full, and I just wanted the extra "kick" there for the races that I lose the first time....

I hang out with a lot of owners that have heavily modified rides (SC 5th gen camaros, 3.4 blower 03-04 cobras, ect...)

miller11386 · « **Reply #10 on:** February 23, 2012, 04:52:35 PM »

Dont be that guy......

"I would beat you if my bottle was full"

Do it right the first time. Bottles arent for street cars or cars under 500hp

SKY888 · « **Reply #11 on:** February 23, 2012, 05:00:28 PM »

I'll probably just use my extra $400-500............for a water/meth kit.

You'll have that extra "kick" all the time

plus re-filling it is waaaaay cheaper

Kelu · « **Reply #12 on:** February 23, 2012, 06:04:15 PM »

Quote from: Lithium on February 23, 2012, 04:44:55 PM

I hang out with a lot of owners that have heavily modified rides (SC 5th gen camaros, 3.4 blower 03-04 cobras, ect...)

Than go with LSX, you gonna loose big time with only E85+ NO2 versus those cars anyhow

SKY888 · « **Reply #13 on:** February 23, 2012, 06:43:38 PM »

Quote from: Kelu on February 23, 2012, 06:04:15 PM

Than go with LSX, you gonna loose big time with only E85+ NO2 versus those cars anyhow

that's very true!

snaponbob · « **Reply #14 on:** February 23, 2012, 06:44:41 PM »

Quote from: Lithium on February 23, 2012, 04:44:55 PM

I'm going E-85 full, and I just wanted the extra "kick" there for the races that I lose the first time....

I hang out with a lot of owners that have heavily modified rides (SC 5th gen camaros, 3.4 blower 03-04 cobras, ect...)

The cars you listed are not forced induction. And that really is different. If you have a good E85 tune and are NOT on slicks, you will have all the power any grooved tires will be able to handle through second gear. I can not imagine the existing fuel pumps keeping up with E85 AND NOx. And the results would be EXPENSIVE. There must be some street squirrels with LNF Cobalts who have done this. See what they have experienced. It's cheaper to learn from OTHER people's mistakes.

Lithium · « **Reply #15 on:** February 23, 2012, 06:50:59 PM »

Quote from: snaponbob on February 23, 2012, 06:44:41 PM

The cars you listed are not forced induction. And that really is different. If you have a good E85 tune and are NOT on slicks, you will have all the power any grooved tires will be able to handle through second gear. I can not imagine the existing fuel pumps keeping up with E85 AND NOx. And the results would be EXPENSIVE. There must be some street squirrels with LNF Cobalts who have done this. See what they have experienced. It's cheaper to learn from OTHER people's mistakes.

Ummm the cars I listed are Forced Inducted

miller11386 · « **Reply #16 on:** February 23, 2012, 06:57:54 PM »

Quote from: Kelu on February 23, 2012, 06:04:15 PM

Than go with LSX, you gonna loose big time with only E85+ NO2 versus those cars anyhow

+1

snaponbob · « **Reply #17 on:** February 23, 2012, 06:58:57 PM »

OOPS. Saw the CARS, not the rest. Still, that does not alter the fact that the LNF direct injection fuel system presents limits that the others may not have.

Lithium · « **Reply #18 on:** February 23, 2012, 07:16:02 PM »

Also, when did most of you use up your stock clutch? At what power level?

snaponbob · « **Reply #19 on:** February 23, 2012, 07:20:16 PM »

Quote from: Lithium on February 23, 2012, 07:16:02 PM

Also, when did most of you use up your stock clutch? At what power level?

The stock clutch will hold a 100 octane tune, but no E85. Been there, done that.

Lithium · « **Reply #20 on:** February 23, 2012, 07:21:44 PM »

Does different fluid help? Or will it still go out.

I'm trifecta tuned (93) right now and it seems fine.

SKY888 · « **Reply #21 on:** February 23, 2012, 07:23:06 PM »

Quote from: Lithium on February 23, 2012, 07:16:02 PM

Also, when did most of you use up your stock clutch? At what power level?

E85 really gives an intial rush of big TQ.

if you're around the 380tq +++ area..........and pushing your car hard........your stock clutch will die soon.....

you gotta pay to play....my friend...

Lithium · « **Reply #22 on:** February 23, 2012, 07:26:32 PM »

Quote from: SKY888 on February 23, 2012, 07:23:06 PM

E85 really gives an intial rush of big TQ.

if you're around the 380tq +++ area..........and pushing your car hard........your stock clutch will die soon.....

you gotta pay to play....my friend...

I know this, its not my first rodeo, just seeing when I need to start saving for a clutch. Seems like now would be good, so the nitrous will have to wait.

SKY888 · « **Reply #23 on:** February 23, 2012, 07:31:10 PM »

Some LNF kappas....and some LNF balts.....are already running out of fuel using full E85 tune.
So I'm not really sure, how you'll be able to combine both E85 and nitrous.

Anyways, I recommend getting the s1 cams w/ big fuel lobe...so you'll have enough fuel delivery, using your E85 tune.

Yes, just use your "extra money" to buy those cams......instead of sneaky pete.

the cams will really show its real potential if combined with bigger turbos and give you more power........compared to using the stock turbo. But at least it will give you around 20% more fuel delivery which will be needed if you will be running an aggressive E85 tune.

good luck

SKY888 · « **Reply #24 on:** February 23, 2012, 07:32:03 PM »

Quote from: Lithium on February 23, 2012, 07:26:32 PM

I know this, its not my first rodeo, just seeing when I need to start saving for a clutch. Seems like now would be good, so the nitrous will have to wait.

I'll save up for both aftermarket clutch and cams

forget about the nitrous for now.

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