Topic: Mail Order Tunes Available from Trifecta

[CJ Krause]

Tunes Available
Classic Tune
this does not include infiniboost, stealth or selectable tune but you can customize your tune. You can disable DTC's and check engine lights, cat free downpipes, raise the rev limit, change AFR, max rpm and customize this tune to your mods and what you want to do

New LNF
Selectable Tune - switch between your present tune and a Trifecta Custom High Performance Tune. You select the tune by the Traction Control Switch, even while driving.
Stealth feature - returns the factory original check sum when requested by a technician.
Infinity Boost - overcomes the sensor, table, and duty cycle limits to allow whatever boost you want without limp mode or over-boost.
Customize- Disable DTC's and check engine lights, cat free downpipes, raise the rev limit, change AFR, max rpm and customize this tune to your mods and what you want to do

if you decide you want a mail order tune. Shoot me an email to cj@cjsmodsandmore.com
with the following information:
Name, phone number and email
VIN number
A very exact list of power modifications you have done
Tranny type
Special tune requests for customization- boost, rpm limits, limiters and so on.

Upon payment of the Classic or New LNF tune and a refundable deposit of $200 by Pay Pal, I ship you a cable and interface module and send your information to Trifecta.
Trifecta then emails you their EZ Flash software, installation instructions and the base tune. You load the base tune using your laptop following the instructions from the EZ Flash software and using the Interface cable with a USB port on your laptop. I can be reached and explain on the phone the whole process to make it very easy and give you datalog tips. With a year under my belt and many tunes i feel i have some great tips.

You then datalog your car under boost and WOT and I usually leave the datalog on going to and from where you started from.
You then email the datalog to Trifecta along with any and all important comments on fuel and boost during the run. You might remind him what you are going for in boost.

Vince analyzes your datalog and modifies your tune sends it back and then you reload and then datalog to achieve what you were looking for and max benefit from the tune. He usually will let you know when he has got everything right. Vince is very patient and wants you as a Happy customer.

The tune usually settles in around 70 to 100 miles so keep track of how it is doing and if you want anymore changes. A notepad helps so when you are driving and you notice something, you wont forget to email Vince.
Normal tune and datalogs take anywhere from 40 min to an hour. After a couple days of driving you should know if everything is good. You can then send Vince another datalog for a last look.

Once totally satisfied, you then ship the cable and interface back for a refund on the deposit.
Refund schedule is as follows:
$200 refund within 14 days of shipment.
$160 refund from 15-31 days.
Not returnable after 32 days unless you have called me and set up some kind of agreement ahead of time.
Shipping back should be done by Priority Mail and is reasonable and insure it. Return shipping and insurance is a must.

After a year working with Vince I have grown to truly respect his attitude, business policies and ethics, patience and willingness to make sure the customer gets a great product and every one is happy.

CJ

[odiaz]

Welcome to the Forum.  I've been following the numerous threads about the trifecta tune and I'm glad I found them.  I was about to buy a different tune but I like what I've been reading here.  There seems to be a lot of excitement on the forum about the Trifecta tune.  Any chance of doing a group buy?

[CJ Krause]

I am sure we could bend Vince's ear and see what he says.
I was already thinking about something on this route and see what he says.

[lil goat]

I still would like to see a dyno sheet from a LNF with HP vs TQ. Preferably not done on a Dynojet. Be nice to see AFR numbers too. I want to see a torque curve, numbers don't mean squat and boost numbers mean even less. The very high boost numbers with the stock intercooler mean you are pushing very hot air through the intake, how much power is that making? I can see the higher boost working to benefit if the intercooler is improved so the charge is cooled, blowing hot air is just blowing hot air.

[snaponbob]

I still would like to see a dyno sheet from a LNF with HP vs TQ. Preferably not done on a Dynojet. Be nice to see AFR numbers too. I want to see a torque curve, numbers don't mean squat and boost numbers mean even less. The very high boost numbers with the stock intercooler mean you are pushing very hot air through the intake, how much power is that making? I can see the higher boost working to benefit if the intercooler is improved so the charge is cooled, blowing hot air is just blowing hot air.

Here ya go ---- http://www.cobaltss.net/forums/showpost.php?p=4246370&postcount=20

[lil goat]

If there is a chart there I can't see it, I can't see most pictures at work. Other than a Cobalt what kind of car, is it an lnf?, what are the mods? I don't know Cobalts well enough to tell.

[Sly Bob]

There's a chart there but it's hosted at Photobucket and you likely can't access that from where you are. I have copied the chart and posted it here. The gentleman making the post on the Cobalt SS forum states that the elevation was 5k feet and it was over 95f outside.

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[lil goat]

Thanks Bob, that I can see. Good looking chart. I could see about the elevation and heat, still don't know if this is an lnf, or the older S/C lnj that Cobalts had, we will never make the HP those lnj's will make. Just to compare curves and such here is my last run. By the way that one looks really good. Vince's tune has flatter HP curve but the torque drops off pretty fast. The AFR is running much leaner than I am, something I have been trying to get fixed for sometime. Our DI engines should be running pretty lean to make the most power.

[Kelu]

Another thing, I was browsing the cobalt forum and I could see some 1/4 mile numbers which were around 12.8s, maybe I'm wrong and maybe there are some other better numbers. Numbers which I don't know if any 2.0L kappa reached with only some boltons.

I compare based on drag times because I consider more fair, FWD makes better numbers on dyno because less transmission loss than a RWD, but a RWD makes a better launch on a drag strip.

Also I'm impressed by the numbers and I thought Cobalt SS has same engine as ours.

[lil goat]

Late model Cobalt SS has the same engine the 2007 and earlier had a S/C lnj motor. The Colbalts are doing some good stuff with the lnf motor, but as Vince posted he can not get the same boost with the Kappa yet.

[Sly Bob]

As Goat said, the newest Cobalt SS cars have the same engine and the discussion appears to be about the LNF engine. The forum that this discussion in is "08-09 SS Turbocharged General Discussion" and the full thread starts here.

http://www.cobaltss.net/forums/showthread.php?t=186228

[snaponbob]

But the torque curve is dropping from a much higher level. Also, the traces look well smoothed. But that horsepower curve is seriously flat !!!!!!! Additionally, the similarities are quite interesting. The cross over point is still around 5200 rpm, and the drop offs beyond 5200 look about the same, but is still showing more overall power and torque at 6200. Clearly he is showing LESS torque below 3000 but really goes nuts above there. IF this was done on a Dyno Jet (only for purposes of comparisons) a LNF Kappa with this tune should lag just a wee bit, but then go tearing past anynody else's tune beyond there.

I have sent Lyndon links and pics. His first observation was that Vince must have written a new OS, which I said that this is what Vince claims. He said "hmm". Can't wait to see what LW comes up with over the winter.

[lil goat]

I have said it before and will say it again, I refuse to even look at numbers any more. It is just a waste of time. Way to many variables. The curves do look good and HP is a very flat curve, and if you look at the AFR on the bottom he is running much higher than the other tunes out there, he is much closer to the factory AFR than most of the tunes are, there is a lot of power to be found in a leaner tune, it just seems wrong to go that lean, but it's not that is what DI is all about. Every dyno I have been on has told me our cars run to lean. I honestly don't expect a lot from other tuners, why bother at least one does not charge for updates so would not make any money for his time and effort. His tune is already so far superior to stock I personally can't understand why everyone doesn't have it. So who would his new market be to justify his efforts. If Vince can build a better mouse trap, then so be it. There comes a point at which you cut your losses and move on to what pays your bills. Vince has already got a large following in the Cobalt and HHR crowd the Kappa is just extra gravy for him. I am not sure what else he does besides tunes. LW runs a performance garage with over a million dollars worth of equipment. He can not continue to do tune upgrades without compensation, and I personally will not ask him to.

[lil goat]

I started looking at the AFR after Vinces dyno sheet was posted it seems he is running very close to what the factory did. Here is U-238's AFR on the factory tune.

LW does not run anywhere near this lean, is that good or bad, not for me to say just an observation. Typically leaner makes more power, but is not as safe. With DI the rules are a bit different though.

[snaponbob]

There comes a point at which you cut your losses and move on to what pays your bills. Vince has already got a large following in the Cobalt and HHR crowd the Kappa is just extra gravy for him. I am not sure what else he does besides tunes. LW runs a performance garage with over a million dollars worth of equipment. He can not continue to do tune upgrades without compensation, and I personally will not ask him to.

That would be up to Lyndon, wouldn't it? When the race customers crawl back in their igloos, he'll have time to play with the tunes some more. Certainly that is what he has said.

[rich71]

i am happy with the new beta tune and if he needs to charge for an update, with the investment already made, it would be worth it.my car is a labor of love, and i will reward people who have treated the kappa that way from the beginning with me....I am still very interested in what this tune can ultimately do...just glad i ran out of money to play around. I went from BSR to Westers,...enough said......but back on topic, with tunes being almost so close it is starting to look like just pick your flavor and go with it...pepsi or coke, menthol or non menthol...

[lil goat]

What Lyndon has said to me is there is a point he will not go beyond do to safety and reliability issue's. I believe we are very close to that point with out beefing up the hardware. I am not telling anyone what to do, but I am telling you what I know to be true. I do not ask Lyndon the same questions others do. He has told me it is easier to build power in the Cobalt he has done some, the issue's he ran into was after you build all that power it fries the clutch. He does not want to go there with us. He has told me he can pretty much make as much boost as we want. The problem is at what point does the engine go boom! He does not want to find out, and frankly neither do I. He told me tuning the Cobalt and the Kappa are very different and comparing dyno sheets between the two is not really very accurate.

[perris]

I'm wondering if you rasie boost how high teh stock sensors still see that boost, for instance does it see boost over 30?

[LatinVenom]

My interest is because of the larger wheel that flows more air than the stock.
So the LNF can sustain the psi for a lot longer.
My DDM tune can sustain 23 psi very easy and the RWHP and torque are pretty much equal and very flat trough out the power band.
I wish Dave\Randy would let me upgrade to their latest tune, but so far no answers from them to my PM's. I know they are busy so maybe after the MD meet they will contact me.

[kennysabarese]

let us burn the clutch! that's why we have aftermarket ones available!

if we put in water meth injection can we run the higher boost?

(also i think all trifecta threads should be combined at this point. there's a lot of overlap)

[snaponbob]

To semi-clarify the clutch issue, the Cobalt and HHR are having clutch issues. The HHRs had clutch issues at 23 psi. So far the clutch in the Kappa LNF package seems to be holding up with street tires. Alex Jones (on the BB) killed his using 315 Hoosiers, but mine is still holding up -- so far. If the fundage allows it after 11" wheels, I WILL be doing a Spec 3 and Fidanza flywheel for 2010.

[Critterman]

You sure that there are aftermarket clutches for the 2.0?  2.4 yes, but I didn't think that there were any for the 2.0 yet.

[kennysabarese]

You sure that there are aftermarket clutches for the 2.0?  2.4 yes, but I didn't think that there were any for the 2.0 yet.

oh i assumed there was. i really don't know... hrmm

[1LILNDN]

Any news on a Group buy for the Tunes?   

Hope, I hope, I hope,

[CJ Krause]

not yet